Peter Parker vs Steve Rogers

Started by Daredevil111 pages

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Only useful if he has people to lead.

He has them and is better than Peter at utilizing them.

Externalizing the argument to include people that are not Peter and Steve.

Even if Peter doesn't get army resources (assumption made that they switched lives) we already know that Peter can create high-end technology from scraps. He'd still get webbing (or, as Digi puts them, Freedom Ropes) and tracers.

Acquire? Having other people who are smarter than him give him the tools to actually be effective?

This seals the deal for me - Steve is the suckiest hero of all time since he can't get anything done for himself. He has to rely on other people to be effective at anything. (mostly sarcastic).

You guys could focus on that fact that he's tactically smarter, would utilize more effective strategies to fight opponents, that his discipline would allow him to utilize the Spider-Man powerset in a different way - but all you seem to be able to focus on is that Steve can't do anything by himself. At all.

But that's were your wrong. You think Steve was born with the SSS? That it just bit him? He had to go "out" and make it happen. Just like everything else he's done. All that he gained or achieved is because he's done it on his "own."

No one is just going to give you all that power/resources to have unless there insane. That's why you have to have Steve mind set and character traits........unless you want to make a different Steve.

Does Steve has Longshot luck or a mutant power that makes everyone zombies to gain what he has gained? The guy does it on his own.

Only difference at times is Steve makes it look easy. You mention why don't we make a case for his discipline and skill to use his powers in a more effective way to fight in hand to hand combat. eh, I think that part just goes "without" saying.

As Peter during Civil War once stated he could learn about combat for 1000 years and he would never be as good as Steve.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I thought this was about who uses their powers best, not who is the better inventor.

hahahaha this isn't a science competition. Nice one SM. That would be way to easy for Steve then under that scenario.

Peter is a Cap fanboy, let's get real.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
hahahaha this isn't a science competition. Nice one SM. That would be way to easy for Steve then under that scenario.

The first post even says "Who would have used the different powers the best?"

So far I haven't heard anyone talk about how Peter would use the SSS.

Originally posted by Mindset
Peter is a Cap fanboy, let's get real.

Like during civil war when Steve faced off against Peter?....

Steve

Originally posted by Silent Master
The first post even says "Who would have used the different powers the best?"

So far I haven't heard anyone talk about how Peter would use the SSS.

Compared to his feats as Spider-Man?
Take every thing hes ever done as spiderman. then He gets slower, weaker, less durable, loses his ability to climb/cling to walls.......

Originally posted by rotiart
Compared to his feats as Spider-Man?
Take every thing hes ever done as spiderman. then He gets slower, weaker, less durable, loses his ability to climb/cling to walls.......

Didn't the SSS augment Steve's mind?

Won't it augment Parker's?

Originally posted by rotiart
Compared to his feats as Spider-Man?
Take every thing hes ever done as spiderman. then He gets slower, weaker, less durable, loses his ability to climb/cling to walls.......

Exactly, all this talk about Peter inventing things to help him be a hero pretty much proves that he's not going to use the SSS very well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, all this talk about Peter inventing things to help him be a hero pretty much proves that he's not going to use the SSS very well.
That doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by rotiart
Like during civil war when Steve faced off against Peter?....
Yes.

How is him fighting Cap changing anything I said? 😬

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, all this talk about Peter inventing things to help him be a hero pretty much proves that he's not going to use the SSS very well.

But the argument ill make on behalf of Spider-Man winning is this...

Cap even with his spider powers... But without the shield...
Is not as awesome as cap with SSS and shield...

Originally posted by Mindset
That doesn't even make sense.

This thread is about how well they'd use their powers, so far all people are doing is saying that Peter's inventions will make up for the fact that he'd be worthless with just the SSS.

Steve on the other hand become a legend with just SSS level stats, give him cl 10-15 stats and his feats would go through the roof.

That's not even the argument that has been made...

Considering that this thread is about who uses their new powers better, the fact that nobody has even tried to argue that Peter would make good use of the SSS, tells me that they know he wouldn't be able to use them well.

Steve on the other hand made great use of the increased stats the SSS granted him, so giving him ever greater stats should see a corresponding increase in feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't the SSS augment Steve's mind?

Won't it augment Parker's?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering that this thread is about who uses their new powers better, the fact that nobody has even tried to argue that Peter would make good use of the SSS, tells me that they know he wouldn't be able to use them well.

Steve on the other hand made great use of the increased stats the SSS granted him, so giving him ever greater stats should see a corresponding increase in feats.

Peter making use of tech is a part of his character.

If we aren't using character traits then there is no point in picking particular characters.

Originally posted by Mindset
Peter making use of tech is a part of his character.

If we aren't using character traits then there is no point in picking particular characters.

I know it's part of his character, but it has zero bearing on the question being asked and that was who uses their new power better.

This thread is about comparing how Peter uses the SSS to how Steve uses spider-powers.

He would still be using tech, that's what you seem to be overlooking.

Originally posted by Mindset
He would still be using tech, that's what you seem to be overlooking.

The thread is about who would use their new power better, not who can make the best tech.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The thread is about who would use their new power better, not who can make the best tech.
facepalm

How are you failing to understand such a simple idea?

No one is making this a tech contest, but the fact of the matter is Peter could compensate the lowering in his physical stats with tech.