Originally posted by juggerman
Nope. It took all of a second and a half for Xaiver to deduce the helmet was blocking his mind reading. Why would Ed not be able to figure it out? Not to mention Alice would see that there attacks would only power Shaw up.
Probably because Ed given his experience is more likely to think it's a taint ala Bellas then a result of the helmet, Xavier was able to deduce it because this time he knew there was no telepath blocking Shaws mind, so it had to be a different source.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Probably because Ed given his experience is more likely to think it's a taint ala Bellas then a result of the helmet, Xavier was able to deduce it because this time he knew there was no telepath blocking Shaws mind, so it had to be a different source.
Edward has also said he's met "shields" before yet didn't know that's what Bella was since he said she was different than the others. She was an anomaly. Highly doubtful he'd just assume there was another like her. Especially since he wearing that weird helmet. Maybe he wouldn't think or if in the first nano second but to assume the thought would never ever cross his mind is crazy.
He'd try to figure out the reason for the block and the helmet is a more likely option than most anything else.
Originally posted by juggerman
Have we seen any wearing crazy ass helmets? And we see how Ed reacted to Bella and what he thought but Bella was not wearing a massive HELMET!It is probable that Edward would look for reasons he could read this guy wearing a very strange helmet. Now Ed has been around for about 100 yeaers and is about as smart as a person could be. He would be able to tell that wasn't a normal (motorcycle, football) helmet. Now he might think it was battle armor but since it's unlikely he has encountered anyone in a suit of armor before it's logical for his thought process to go "Hmm i can't read his mind. Could the helmet somehow be blocking me?" If Bella had been wearing a similar helmet (that didn't block her thoughts) it's natural for his thoughts to have gone there 1st as well only to be proved wrong.
You said something earlier about how "Shaw wouldn't think about exactly how is powers worked" or some such similar. Im saying that of course he would be thinking about it. That's all he has to offer. If you've ever been in a fight try to recall your thought process. You try to think of everything that could possibily happen. Everything you can do. The desired results of every action and reaction. Shaw would indeed think about his powers and how they worked even in the most basic sense and as the thoughts passed thru his head they would pass thru Ed's head at the same time (with no helmet)
I've given you my answer. Sorry you don't like it. Again if you wish to move on then let's do so. If you wish to stop feel free
Except all you have is conjecture and a "hope they behave this way" Reply further tainted by your prior knowledge of how Shaw's powers/gear work. You have no further evidence go support your answer rather than "he's old and smart, he'll figure it out" while I have ACTUAL on screen proof on how he ACTUALLY responded.
And no, I don't have to prove show anyonr wearing a silly helmet, you have ppl running around with no shirts all day long and you have ppl dressed up like in silly cloaks and yet no one seems to think that no shirts and silly cloaks is the source of anyone's power.
Listen: ppl with innate mental powers exist in Twiworld. But tech that negate/duplicate mental powers? They do not. It is far easier to assume something that exists in your world is present when something that has happened before (getting your TP blocked) happens again than it is to assume that a completely new factor is causing it. Pls get that thru your head. Also, Bella is not unique. Her dad has a weaker version of the mental shield.
Let me repeat: You're assuming that they'd behave out of character, think about things that DOES NOT exist in thier world, notice things that would not seem all that out of the ordinary considering what is common in their environment and deduce ALL this before the fighting even begins/prior to them taking sufficient casualties or Shaw getting hit with enough energy at the start or if any of the damned arguments that you didnt't adress come up to render your whole argument moot (if Edwards dies your argument is pointless, if Shaw is hit enough times by the wolves to pwer him up yoir argument is pointless, if Shaw holds on to the damned helmet your argument is pointless, if the aura protects the helmet, your argument is pointless, seriously, your argument is pointless). Can't you see how flimsy your entire argument is? It's sad that you can't see it.
And btw, you've conveniently skipped over my previous numbered response. Did you take the debate into a tangent to avoid answering them?
Why would it be relevant to this debate at all if Shaw would think about his powers? Without the helmet, this debate is moot as Jane could prolly (arguably) affect him with his powers.
It's silly to say it however, cuz Shaw, who is a man stepped deep in both subterfuge and deciet and is actually USED to hanging around telepaths on a daily basis as well as having a strong/trained enough mind where Prof X comments on how strong his mind is would CONVENIENTLY mention in his head how exactly his powers would work for the benefit of your beloved Twivamps so that they might win.....
Well, it's sad then. Cuz I'd love to pwn your new argument. Too bad you refuse to admit that your previous argument is flawed even though you have been unable to address my points (numbered for your convenience).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, too bad then.I guess our little argument ends with me presenting points you are unable to adress and you just being too stubborn (or you wanting the Twivamps to win oh so badly against big bad Shaw) to concede.
Ok then. Shaw continues not to solo due to the mind reader and the fortune teller.
Guess this can just move on back to whether or not the vamps and wolves can take down the mutants.
Im thinking no due to X and Frost. Bella can't protect everyone so the telepaths could just start shutting off minds leaving only her
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok then. Shaw continues not to solo due to the mind reader and the fortune teller.Guess this can just move on back to whether or not the vamps and wolves can take down the mutants.
Im thinking no due to X and Frost. Bella can't protect everyone so the telepaths could just start shutting off minds leaving only her
Nope. Shaw soloes as you have not disproven any of my points.
Denial is a sad sad thing.
Tho, I do agree that the mutants rape. As, yknow, Phoenix or Shaw could just solo.
Originally posted by juggerman
Impasse. No reason to continue that route. Shaw has no answer for Alice.
How is it an impasse when I've disproven all your points and you never addressed mine? 😆
If you feel that there is no reason to continue (or you are unable/unwilling to defend) that route why not concede it? I did you the courtesy of addressing your points (it takes time, thought and effort to type all that up) why not either give me the courtesy of addressing mine or give me the courtesy of a concession so we can proceed?
Is courtesy in debating beyond you? What are you so afraid of?
Originally posted by juggerman
Edward has also said he's met "shields" before yet didn't know that's what Bella was since he said she was different than the others. She was an anomaly. Highly doubtful he'd just assume there was another like her. Especially since he wearing that weird helmet. Maybe he wouldn't think or if in the first nano second but to assume the thought would never ever cross his mind is crazy.He'd try to figure out the reason for the block and the helmet is a more likely option than most anything else.
It's also highly doubtfull that Edward will just instantly or even after a prolonged amount of time begin to wonder why he couldn't read Shaws mind, as you said he has encountered the situation before where he was in some shape or form incapable of reading the thoughts of various beings. Now he is standing (along with his friends) infront of a guy in a suit with a silly helmet, that is just smiling at them. I would personally ascribe the inability to read shaws mind as a result of insanity on Shaws part if I was Edward.
And while he tries to figure that out the rest of the group is just going to stand still and look at Shaw? The wolves isn't going to engage him, Emma (or whatever the girl that sets things on fire) isn't going to try that, they are all going to wait for Edward to figure out why he can't read Shaws mind?
Originally posted by Utrigita
It's also highly doubtfull that Edward will just instantly or even after a prolonged amount of time begin to wonder why he couldn't read Shaws mind, as you said he has encountered the situation before where he was in some shape or form incapable of reading the thoughts of various beings. Now he is standing (along with his friends) infront of a guy in a suit with a silly helmet, that is just smiling at them. I would personally ascribe the inability to read shaws mind as a result of insanity on Shaws part if I was Edward.And while he tries to figure that out the rest of the group is just going to stand still and look at Shaw? The wolves isn't going to engage him, Emma (or whatever the girl that sets things on fire) isn't going to try that, they are all going to wait for Edward to figure out why he can't read Shaws mind?
Don't bother, the second he becomes unable to address your arguments, he'll ignore your points, go off on a tangent and claim "impasse".
Originally posted by Utrigita
It's also highly doubtfull that Edward will just instantly or even after a prolonged amount of time begin to wonder why he couldn't read Shaws mind, as you said he has encountered the situation before where he was in some shape or form incapable of reading the thoughts of various beings. Now he is standing (along with his friends) infront of a guy in a suit with a silly helmet, that is just smiling at them. I would personally ascribe the inability to read shaws mind as a result of insanity on Shaws part if I was Edward.And while he tries to figure that out the rest of the group is just going to stand still and look at Shaw? The wolves isn't going to engage him, Emma (or whatever the girl that sets things on fire) isn't going to try that, they are all going to wait for Edward to figure out why he can't read Shaws mind?
Actually he has never encountered a person whose thoughts he could not read. He says so himself which is why Bella intrests him so much. And this was about Shaw vs the other team alone. If that were the case Ed would notice it right away. In a group it is much less likely unless that were all he was focused on
EDIT: Sorry i misread. In character they all wouldn't attack one person at once. When the Volturi attacked that one vamp Jane was the only one actively attacking and no one else did a thing until she stopped. Then it was Alec's turn. That's how they work.
And the wolves would most likely be the last to attack since they don't hurt humans and that's what they would think Shaw was.
Once Jane, Alec, and Edward realised their mental powers didn't work they would be cautious and maybe try to figure out why just like they tried right away with Bella
To: Utriga
Some of what he said up there I already addressed. The fact that he repeats the same weak argument means that he didn't take the time to read my posts or just plain ignored it. Which means he just likes to waste ppl's time. He'll do the same to you. Best just to ignore him.
Shaw soloes. Phoenix soloes.