Originally posted by shinkoryu
This is what you exactly do every single time.
You expect me to prove the claims that you made? 😕
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Example, quoting sources like
"Mr M jumps in the air, spins his lightsaber with great velocity and has quick reflexes"And then your argument would be like "SEE the quote says this and that, therefore he is GOD!11!!1"
Our point is, you make extreme assumptions based on a single quote.
You are probably not getting the whole picture.
Revan, Scourge and Meetra planned to assassinate the Sith Emperor. Once inside the Citadel, their cover was blown and the Sith Emperor's Imperial Guard engaged them in combat. According to all accounts, the Imperial Guard individuals were highly skilled warriors, capable of matching Jedi and Sith in combat. The Imperial Guard individuals gave tough time to both Meetra and Scourge as an example. Both of these individuals were EXPERT duelists. However, Revan cut-down an Imperial Guard individual in just a couple of steps (only a few seconds) due to his exceptional precognitive abilities and I cited his performance here.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
You're not really that much of an intelligent guy are you? You don't get my point either do you?
Please refrain from these kinds of statements, if you want a mature discussion. Clarify better like you did below:
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Im simply stating that being stated to have "instantaneous reaction" isn't something special, nor should it be used in an argument to uplift one characters status especially when the majority of characters in the mythos has demonstrated the said ability which is not only limited to the powerhouses but even the "lower ranked" characters.
Nicely put this time.
However, what about the comparison that I made:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Instant reaction time becomes relevant in certain situations. For example; when the enemy fires from close distance and the Jedi has to switch from non-combat state to combat-ready state to save himself/herself. It is the situations like these where exceptional precognition and reaction rate comes in to play and makes difference.As an example; Coleman Trebor came to fight Count Dooku in Geonosis and his reaction rate wasn't good enough to counter close-range blaster fire from a skilled arms wielder even when he was in combat-ready state. In contrast, Darth Malak (in Leviathan) went from non-combat state to combat-ready state instantaneously when Carth Onasi suddenly opened fire on him from close distance. And skills wise, Carth Onasi was a celebrated Republic officer.
How you perceive this?
Originally posted by shinkoryu
But thats it, what you basically do, is find a quote that states so and so doing so, and then make broad assumptions and pass it off as fact.
See the comparison of Darth Malak and Coleman Trebor above as an example.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
No it doesn't, because i actually look at the facts. Yes, Revan is a strong character and an exceptional duelist. But i don't look at exaggerations from a devoted fanboy with raging hormones.
Here;
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As per Drew's revelation; only 2 companions accompanied Revan on Star Forge. Still Revan did major work as noted by Sith commander stationed on the Star Forge and even Darth Malak himself who eventually acknowledged that Revan had exceeded his expectations.Bastilla also remarked: "If it weren't for you, Darth Malak would have destroyed the Republic, eliminated the Council, and all but wiped out the Jedi. They owe you everything!"
Also, Revan have fought through armies of even Mandalorians and single-handedly dealt with heavy odds.
A major hint:
Revan had fought plenty of Basilisks during his campaign against the Mandalorians.
This proves that Revan was not just commanding during the Mandalorian Wars but was also fighting in the battles. Heck, Revan killed the Mandalore himself.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith Commander particularly reported to Malak that Revan destroyed a whole army of Star Forge's battle droids. After this, Malak ordered the Sith Commander to send a huge chunk of Sith forces towards Revan.
Now tell me; how can I have a decent debate with member (Nephthys) and not you guys?
Reason is that he has decent knowledge of TOR lore and he also knows how to debate. And he is more of a fan of PT/OT lore then TOR lore, if I am not wrong about his preferences.
So try to remedy your own debate related shortcomings as well.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
You don't get the point, its your argument, its not about if Revan is imrpessive or not.
I explained in detail above now.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Ergo, you ignore canon.
No.
You want me to use game-play mechanics for citation purposes now? 🙄
The benefit of TFU novels is to eliminate ambiguities (in TFU games) and canonify the exploits of Gallen. So it makes perfect sense to use TFU novels for citation purposes.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
First off, you've never used the novels for "citation purposes" but ignored that entirely as well.
Bullshit. Ask (Nephthys) or any other member with whom I had lengthy debates.
In fact, the information that I am providing in italic is from canonical sources.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Secondly, you always use the comics, which is far less detailed that both the cutscenes and novels which makes the characters feats look more diminished.
I do use cutscenes and footage for citation purposes. Also, TFU novel contains detailed explanations of events in TFU game.
However, as Drew once pointed out in one of his newsletters;
Let's set the record straight right now: games and books are NOT the same thing. In a game, we have to constantly progress the power level of a character to keep things interesting. In a book, any character progression is slow and arduous – it often makes up the character arc, which is the whole point of the book. The two mediums are meant to convey different experiences and the two representations of the character cannot simply be laid overtop of each other.
Regardless of this, I do not ignore important canonical depictions in games such as cutscenes and footage. Heck, it makes sense to cite all "statements" made in the games because they too provide solid interpretations of events and the means to evaluate the actions of characters and their abilities.
Now, if their are continuity errors/conflicts between sources; then this is not my fault. I try to work with all sources, though I also prefer to identify RETCONS.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Thirdly, according to the directors, the "Scripted scenes" ARE actually what happens in action AND are canon. Its simply an [/i]interactive cutscene[/i], much like the quick time events in Heavy Rain.
I know.
Originally posted by shinkoryu
Last but not least, you actually at one point stated how you would ignore the TFU series cut scenes and interactive cut scenes because of how "overpowered" it is, and then claim you want to use the feats in the movies as a "benchmark" because it is more "realistic",and right after that you use TOR trailers which display almost, or in some cases, the same level of "overpowerness" as the ones shown in TFU 1 and 2, to back your already poorly constructed "arguments"
I don't recall making such a statement. I may have stated that I would avoid using game-play mechanics for references; not the cutscenes, statements and footage materials.
If I ever have made such a statement; it would have been a typo error since I often edit my responses several times after I have posted them to eliminate any mistakes/errors. unfortunately, edit time is very short in this forum.