Sids, Dooku, Vader vs Malgus, Revan, Bane

Originally posted by The_Tempest
lolno

They have their lightsabers, which was more than sufficient to keep Revan from harm until the fool tried to take it on barehanded.

So what?

Since when did Revan performing something indicate that Dooku and Vader could. Let me remind you that Revan was able to casually contain Nyriss' Force Lightning which had the power to instantly incinerate her even after tearing through her Force Shields. That is some of the most powerful Force Lightning in the mythos. Were it not for Vitiate it would be a strong contender for the most powerful display of Force Lightning period. As it is, Vitiates own lightning is infinitely superior to hers. Hyperbole granted, yet it is clear that Vitiates lightning is much more powerful than hers. This grants him, imo, the most potent Force Lightning in all of Star Wars.

I sincerely doubt these two can comfortably stand up to that.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
With preparation and on a dark side nexus? Perhaps. But as we saw from the confrontation with the Jedi Knight, those clones are woefully inadequate. Vader and Dooku are far too powerful for Vitiate to take on, especially together, without preparation and a favorable setting.

Inadequate as a threat yes. But as a simple distraction? No. Especially since I doubt Vader or Dooku are too familiar with this esoteric technique or the Emperor's penchant for domination. I see no reason why the clones wouldn't grant him the few seconds he needs to enslave them.

S_W_LeGenD
Your most recent post about me is very insulting. Sorry. I cannot tolerate this. Reported.

Should we report each other for every insult exchanged? If so, I believe all three of us can share a ban.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So what?

Since when did Revan performing something indicate that Dooku and Vader could. Let me remind you that Revan was able to casually contain Nyriss' Force Lightning which had the power to instantly incinerate her even after tearing through her Force Shields. That is some of the most powerful Force Lightning in the mythos. Were it not for Vitiate it would be a strong contender for the most powerful display of Force Lightning period. As it is, Vitiates own lightning is infinitely superior to hers. Hyperbole granted, yet it is clear that Vitiates lightning is much more powerful than hers. This grants him, imo, the most potent Force Lightning in all of Star Wars.

Reread my post, sweetheart. I never said Vader or Dooku could withstand Vitiate's lightning barehanded, I said Revan's lightsaber was sufficient to repulse Vitiate's attacks until he retardedly tried to manhandle it. As long as they have their blades, they'll be just fine.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Inadequate as a threat yes. But as a simple distraction? No. Especially since I doubt Vader or Dooku are too familiar with this esoteric technique or the Emperor's penchant for domination. I see no reason why the clones wouldn't grant him the few seconds he needs to enslave them.

Given that Revan sensed the Emperor's intrusion into his mind before the domination occurred, this is irrelevant. Vader and Dooku are among the most powerful Force users in galactic history, it is reasonable to conclude that they would be able to sense Vitiate's psychic overtures and respond accordingly. As far as the clones are concerned, even if I were to concede that they would serve as distractions (unlikely, didn't the droid take them out? 😂 ), there is no evidence to suggest Vitiate can summon them without preparation and favorable circumstances.

Dooku and Vader, meanwhile, have more powerful feats by far without such amplifiers. Vitiate is curbstomped under most situations.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Big deal, its clear to me you haven't actually played the game.

I have an Imperial Agent character(a SEXY female pureblood sith agent), and guess who was i able to gun down during a fight(a tough fight).

DARTH JADUS. Who is he? A DARK COUNCIL member. Not just any DARK COUNCIL member, but the most powerful DARK COUNCIL member whose powers have been stated to be "Second to none, other than the emperor".

A powerful Sith lord that has been shown to

Spoiler:
Hold a huge part of a sith warship together with his powers after being blown up to keep himself alive

. Shown to be able to bend space and time by [b]teleporting across the room before the IA's companion Kaliyo , could even pull the trigger and choke her at the same time.

And what happens? He gets shot down by the Imperial Agent, not easily but he was beaten by a non force user.

Jadus, unlike "darth sajar", isn't some feat less wonder.

So yes, you yet again prove my point about how you make broad assumptions based on a few "empty quotes"(your very own words). [/B]

A minor point, but it is entirely possible to not fight Jadus at all via outsmarting him or joining him. I wouldn't say that this can be used as canonical evidence yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Remember, Malgus struggled immensely with a single, featless trooper (Jace Malcom, innit?) during his invasion of Alderaan.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
They have their lightsabers, which was more than sufficient to keep Revan from harm until the fool tried to take it on barehanded.

So Revan realized that a lightsaber won't be enough for this kind of power;

Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack.

In addition, recheck the events of the footage that I cited.

The barrage in that footage also seems to be FLS and lightsabers didn't work.

So no, Vader and Dooku cannot do anything in this case.

LeGenD, do Nephthys a favor and stop taking his side. You damage your agenda far more than you service it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Should we report each other for every insult exchanged? If so, I believe all three of us can share a ban.

I reported this:

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Probably true mate, you can't argue with a butthole farting out stink gas, thats basically what this doodoo head is.

He's just an ass crack farting everytime he tries to argue. All i can "hear" is "poot poot poot, proat proat proat ", and when he gets really enraged and tries to bring out more bs "arguments", he actually sprays his poo all over the place.

You see how insulting this is?

I was trying to have a reasonable debate with him. Even did so in may last 3 responses to him. However, he stepped-over-the-line here.

I may use strong words sometimes but I never insult any member to this level.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I didn't report you.

I'm aware.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I do not insult any member to this level.

Irrelevant. 'Til the time comes that your posts are completely free of jabs, insults, and other manner of hurtful remarks, you really have no room to talk, do you? If I were shinkoryu or whatever his name is, I'd spam the report button in retaliation.

Edit: Shinkoryu took it too far. He should tone it down.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Reread my post, sweetheart. I never said Vader or Dooku could withstand Vitiate's lightning barehanded, I said Revan's lightsaber was sufficient to repulse Vitiate's attacks until he retardedly tried to manhandle it. As long as they have their blades, they'll be just fine.

No. Sidious' inferior Force Lightning was almost enough to overwhelm Mace Windu who had the benefit of Vaapad, possessed by neither Vader or Dooku. Merely having a lightsaber does not guarantee one the ability to block any lightning. Revan blocking Vitiates lightning with his lightsaber says nothing about the weakness of Vitaites lightning nor its ability to be blocked as much as it does about Revans exceptional command of Tutaminis

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Given that Revan sensed the Emperor's intrusion into his mind before the domination occurred, this is irrelevant. Vader and Dooku are among the most powerful Force users in galactic history, it is reasonable to conclude that they would be able to sense Vitiate's psychic overtures and respond accordingly. As far as the clones are concerned, even if I were to concede that they would serve as distractions (unlikely, didn't the droid take them out? 😂 ), there is no evidence to suggest Vitiate can summon them without preparation and favorable circumstances.

Dooku and Vader, meanwhile, have more powerful feats by far without such amplifiers. Vitiate is curbstomped under most situations.

Revan was fully prepared for Vitiates attempt and knew how to respond to it. Vader and Dooku do not and would likely attempt to resist the intrusion rather than attack him directly, especially while dealing with shadow clones. And I remind you that Vitiate has huge resistance to TK anyway, so that could also give him time to dominate them. I remind you that Revan was initially dominated. If it was anything like the attempted that we saw, he would have noticed Vitiates attempt that time too, and yet he was still enslaved.

Vitiate had no preparation, as he previously attacked the Knight with Lightning and then immediately summoned them afterwards. As for T7 stunning one, he took it by surprise and Astromech droids can be great fighters i.e. T3 taking down 3 HK-50 droids single-handed.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Irrelevant. 'Til the time comes that your posts are completely free of jabs, insults, and other manner of hurtful remarks, you really have no room to talk, do you? If I were shinkoryu or whatever his name is, I'd spam the report button in retaliation.

I tolerate lot more then people normally do. I have tolerated all your remarks about me and your attempts to shame and defame me.

A little bit of insult doesn't matters to me. However, their a limit to any individual's tolerance.

Debate in decent manner and do not get reported.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No. Sidious' inferior Force Lightning was almost enough to overwhelm Mace Windu who had the benefit of Vaapad, possessed by neither Vader or Dooku. Merely having a lightsaber does not guarantee one the ability to block any lightning. Revan blocking Vitiates lightning with his lightsaber says nothing about the weakness of Vitaites lightning nor its ability to be blocked as much as it does about Revans exceptional command of Tutaminis

Nah, it says that Vitiate's lightning is easily intercepted and addressed by a lightsaber and unless one is foolish enough to try to take it on barehanded. Given that Dooku and Vader are each armed with a lightsaber and are generally not retarded, they'll be just fine.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan was fully prepared for Vitiates attempt and knew how to respond to it. Vader and Dooku do not and would likely attempt to resist the intrusion rather than attack him directly, especially while dealing with shadow clones.

Well, cool, since we're scripting the fight: I say Dooku and Vader begin the fight by unleashing their most powerful attacks and ragdoll Vitiate effortlessly with a barrage of telekinesis and Force lightning.

The shadow clones are, as I said, the very definition of a non-factor. I'm pretty sure an astromech one-shotted it. 😂

Originally posted by Nephthys
I remind you that Revan was initially dominated. If it was anything like the attempted that we saw, he would have noticed Vitiates attempt that time too, and yet he was still enslaved.

Well, as you say, since when does Revan doing [or not doing, in this case] something mean that Vader and Dooku would?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate had no preparation, as he previously attacked the Knight with Lightning and then immediately summoned them afterwards. as for T7 stunning one, he took it by surprise and Astromech droids can be great fighters i.e. T3 taking down 3 HK-50 droids single-handed.

They were also, again, on an unusually potent dark side nexus.

Unless astromechs are comparable to Sith Lords (and I suppose they may be, given TOR's lackluster pedigree of dark side users), it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why are you so concerned about his post and how I reacted to it?

I tolerate lot more then people normally do. I have tolerated all your remarks about me and your attempts to shame and defame me.

A little bit of insult doesn't matters to me. However, their a limit to any individual's tolerance.

Debate in decent manner and do not get reported.

Because you're a hypocrite of the highest order, which further compounds your inability to debate cogently?

Hmm, quite a drop in quality here. Whats up, getting tired already?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, it says that Vitiate's lightning is easily intercepted and addressed by a lightsaber and unless one is foolish enough to try to take it on barehanded. Given that Dooku and Vader are each armed with a lightsaber and are generally not retarded, they'll be just fine.

'No, I'm right, **** you'

Great argument. 👆

I'm going to let you try that again when you feel like putting your big boy shorts back on. Get back to me when you're ready, champ. 😉

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, cool, since we're scripting the fight: I say Dooku and Vader begin the fight by unleashing their most powerful attacks and ragdoll Vitiate effortlessly with a barrage of telekinesis and Force lightning.

The shadow clones are, as I said, the very definition of a non-factor. I'm pretty sure an astromech one-shotted it. 😂

I'm not scripting, merely pointing out that neither of the two know how to respond to the mental assualt like Revan did. You're the one who is saying taht they will immediately know to attack Vitiate with no evidence. If anyones scripting, its you. I'm not saying that they will definitely fail to respond appropriately, simply suggesting that its likely and offering arguments as to why.

No, it didn't.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, as you say, since when does Revan doing [or not doing, in this case] something mean that Vader and Dooku would?

I was merely providing evidence for what happens when an opponent is unprepared to defend against Vitiates assault. Just adding some weight to my argument.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
They were also, again, on an unusually potent dark side nexus.

Unless astromechs are comparable to Sith Lords (and I suppose they may be, given TOR's lackluster pedigree of dark side users), it's irrelevant.

And Vitiate was weakened.

I never said that they were. Just pointing out that saying 'lolastromech' is a ignorant argument. Also, as I said, he took it by surprise.

Nephthys
Hmm, quite a drop in quality here. Whats up, getting tired already?

No, just exuding the least amount of energy needed to crush your argument. Which, for you, means I could very well be asleep. 😂

Nephthys
'No, I'm right, **** you'

Great argument. 👆

I'm going to let you try that again when you feel like putting your big boy shorts back on. Get back to me when you're ready, champ.

Sorry, bro. Revan dealt with Vitiate's lightning casually via lightsaber, there's no reason to conclude it would be any different for Dooku or Vader.

Nephthys
I'm not scripting, merely pointing out that neither of the two know how to respond to the mental assualt like Revan did.

Proof?

Nephthys
You're the one who is saying taht they will immediately know to attack Vitiate with no evidence. If anyones scripting, its you. I'm not saying that they will definitely fail to respond appropriately, simply suggesting that its likely and offering arguments as to why.

Nah, bro. I'm saying Vitiate's mental attacks take time and effort (per Revan) and that each Sith Lord is more than capable of ragdolling him before it succeeds.

Nephthys
No, it didn't

It tazed the shit right out of him. Makes you wonder what Force lightning from Dooku might do, but then T3 is probably comparable, right? 😂

Nephthys
I was merely providing evidence for what happens when an opponent is unprepared to defend against Vitiates assault. I did not say that

As I explained to you, Vitiate's attack takes time and energy from him to initiate. Given that they are powerful and trained Force users, they have the means to detect the attack and respond in kind.

Nephthys
And Vitiate was weakened.

Proof?

Regardless, he had a colossal home turf advantage due to the energies of Dromund Kaas and the temple itself.

Nephthys
I never said that they were. Just pointing out that saying 'lolastromech' is a ignorant argument. Also, as I said, he took it by surprise.

Astromechs are several orders of magnitude beneath the likes of Vader and Dooku, who would be able to dispose of the clones with utterly laughable ease.

Try again, bro.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Because you're a hypocrite of the highest order, which further compounds your inability to debate cogently?

You are defending an extreme form of insult. Shame on you.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sorry, bro. Revan dealt with Vitiate's lightning casually via lightsaber, there's no reason to conclude it would be any different for Dooku or Vader.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, bro. I'm saying Vitiate's mental attacks take time and effort (per Revan)

"We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn't even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills."

Vitiate broke Revan and Malak simultaneously and he did so in such a speed that both could do nothing. And both Revan and Malak were, by this time, highly experienced and celebrated warriors.

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Point is that Vitiate's mental powers are not just extremely effective but they also work quickly and this is why so many unsuspecting individuals have fallen in to his trap in history.

The second time when Revan confronted the Sith Emperor, he was fully prepared for his mental bombardment but he still had to step out of normacly in terms of using the Force to stop the Sith Emperor from mind-dominating him again.

So preventing Vitiate from mind-dominating during combat situations isn't so easy as it sounds. Heck, any unsuspecting indvidual will be broke before he/she would have the opportunity to realize what has happened to him/her.

Do not underestimate Vitiate without logical basis. You clearly underestimate every TOR era character without logical basis.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
and that each Sith Lord is more than capable of ragdolling him before it succeeds.

And not to forget that Vitiate collapsed the entire structure after his Voice was struct down. Vitiate was far more powerful then you give him credit. However, I am not surprised by your statements.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It tazed the shit right out of him. Makes you wonder what Force lightning from Dooku might do, but then T3 is probably comparable, right? 😂

Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire. At the last instant the Emperor cocooned himself in the Force to save himself from being incinerated, breaking his focus on Revan.

&

Almost too weak to move, Revan managed to raise his head just in time to see the Emperor turn on the brave little astromech. A tremor rippled through the air as the Emperor unleashed the full power of the Force against the defenseless droid.

No sign of Sith Emperor getting tazed as you put.

Also, Dooku's Force Lightning will do jack. Sith Emperor have fought with lot of Sith in his life-time to worry about this.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As I explained to you, Vitiate's attack takes time and energy from him to initiate.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Given that they are powerful and trained Force users, they have the means to detect the attack and respond in kind.

The kind of mental/telepathic powers Vitiate demonstrated, aren't common. This is why almost everybody falls in to his trap after his assault.

Jedi and Sith do know about mind tricks but the Vitiate took these abilities to a whole new level.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Regardless, he had a colossal home turf advantage due to the energies of Dromund Kaas and the temple itself.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Astromechs are several orders of magnitude beneath the likes of Vader and Dooku, who would be able to dispose of the clones with utterly laughable ease.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Try again, bro.

@Tempest.

My God, you're talking about a random Jedi Knight who fought Vitiate at 1/100th of his normal power, not Revan.

Revan was utterly defeated, unweakened Vitiate's Force lightning burned Revan alive, and Vitiate disintegrated his droid companion with telekinesis.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, just exuding the least amount of energy needed to crush your argument. Which, for you, means I could very well be asleep. 😂

Ah. I was starting to think that Legend was grinding you down a bit. I can see now how silly it was of me to think you could sink any lower, intellectually.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sorry, bro. Revan dealt with Vitiate's lightning casually via lightsaber, there's no reason to conclude it would be any different for Dooku or Vader.

Again, Revan being able to do something does not mean that Dooku and Vader can. Revan has demonstrated exemplary skill at Tutaminis in that he dealt with Nyriss' Lightning with his bare hands. Nyriss' lightning is comparable and arguably superior to Sidious' own lightning. Do you think that Dooku and Vader would block Sidious' lightning when Windu struggled even with the advantage of Vaapad?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof?

I don't need to prove an absence of knowledge. 🙂

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, bro. I'm saying Vitiate's mental attacks take time and effort (per Revan) and that each Sith Lord is more than capable of ragdolling him before it succeeds.

I doubt that. Revan also showed us that Vitiate grants his followers great ragdoll resistance innately. Logically Vitiate would also possess this resistance, in greater quantities since he is not being granted it by proxy and he is not having to waste energy granting it to his guards who would not be present in a duel.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It tazed the shit right out of him. Makes you wonder what Force lightning from Dooku might do, but then T3 is probably comparable, right? 😂

Yes, from behind. As he was running past it. And Dooku would still need to waste time destroying it with FLightning, so nyeh.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As I explained to you, Vitiate's attack takes time and energy from him to initiate. Given that they are powerful and trained Force users, they have the means to detect the attack and respond in kind.

Lol. Yes, and Revan and Malak certainly weren't powerful and trained Force Users. It wasn't like they were taught by a telepathic Sith Lord or anything. Twice.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Proof?

'You've learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation. Striking at him now is your best chance to defeat him once and for all.'

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Regardless, he had a colossal home turf advantage due to the energies of Dromund Kaas and the temple itself.

And he was tsill weakened. Dude stumbled while walking down the stairs, its obvious he wasn't 100%

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Astromechs are several orders of magnitude beneath the likes of Vader and Dooku, who would be able to dispose of the clones with utterly laughable ease.

Try again, bro.

T7 stunned it for ****s sake. He didn't curbstomp anything. It took the Knight several seconds to take out 3 clones, it would take Vader and Dooku a few seconds to take them out as well. Enough time to mindfvck them.

And as I said, battle-hardened astromechs are not that weak. Even an early model HK unit was able to put up a challenging fight to Jareal, who was easily Jedi level and sparred evenly with Malak. T3-M4 beat 3 of the most advanced kinds.

Sidious wielded the second strongest Force lightning in the Mythos.

Stronger than Vitiate's by miles.

The only being who wielded superior Force lightning was Son...and Vader with the Kaibuur Crystal.

Sidious' Force lightning lit up the surface of an entire planet.

Whaaaaaaat? Bulllspit. When did it do that?

Plus, that would be really inefficient in terms of power. Al the energy would be going to light instead of heat.

Either way, no, Vitiates still no1.