Sids, Dooku, Vader vs Malgus, Revan, Bane

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Originally posted by shinkoryu
Yeah, i suggest to actually play the game and find out who is who, you never even heard of Jadus? The sith lord with an appretince daughter and having powers "second to none other than the emperor"?

I know him. However, I haven't reached so far in the game to know his abilities. You listed some and they are very impressive.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
His involvement in the IA's story gave me way more chills than Darth Baras in the SW story.

I am not surprised.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Its the internet brother, learn to not take things so seriously, and youd be having a really easy time on the net.

My tolerance threshold isn't low even by internet standards. However, this doesn't means that I should be comfortable with an insult of any degree. Rules are their for a reason.

Personally, I have nothing against you. And I don't expect you to make things personal with me in confrontationist sense.

Originally posted by Dolos
Let's see Vitiate conjure a wormhole in space and time.

Vitiate's story isn't complete yet. Logically, he would have learned a lot during his enormous span of existence and it has been hinted several times in canonical sources that he explored Sith Lore to great extent.

No one is disputing the fact that DE Sidious is immensely powerful. However, this particular ability of his, is his only saving grace yet.

Also, as far as bending the space and time is concerned, Darth Jadus could do this in extremely safe manner and he was still lesser then Sith Emperor in power.

Also, how safe was this power for Sidious to use during combat situations?

Originally posted by Dolos
The only other thing in the EU capable of that was an object, and the Dark Staff could destroy entire worlds and teleport star systems into another dimension. It was more powerful than the Death Star, and Palpatine was pretty close.

Please keep in mind that Star Wars mythos is constantly expanding.

Originally posted by Dolos
Plagueis displayed superior power in combat to Vitiate, "atmozing" every assailant around shows a demonstration of telekinesis only surpassed by Abeloth after losing a mind battle.

And how formidable were these assailants?

Originally posted by Dolos
We're a thousand years of Sith growing progressively stronger since Darth Zannah. Per Dark Empire Palpatine had went far far far beyond his natural "Force potential", and could increase Force sensitivity in his servants in an equally unnatural manner - making them stronger than even a Jedi Master despite being only semi-Force sensitive to begin with.

I agree that DE Sidious surpassed his natural potential.

Regarding influencing the Force-sensitivity of his servants; Vitiate could also influence the Force-sensitivity of his servants.

Originally posted by Dolos
And let's not forget the skill in Sith alchemy that was required of Sidious and Plagueis for the Grand Experiment. These Sith were the only Sith capable of covering a galaxy in Dark Side energy, forcing the midi-chlorians to create a Super Force-sensitive child.

And Vitiate was so proficient in this aspect that he once commenced a ritual with which he could have exterminated entire Galaxy and turned himself in to an immortal being in true sense. He was stopped though.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate's story isn't complete yet. Logically, he would have learned a lot during his enormous span of existence and it has been hinted several times in canonical sources that he explored Sith Lore to great extent.

No one is disputing the fact that DE Sidious is immensely powerful. However, this particular ability of his, is his only saving grace yet.

Also, as far as bending the space and time is concerned, Darth Jadus could do this in extremely safe manner and he was still lesser then Sith Emperor in power.

Also, how safe was this power for Sidious to use during combat situations?

Please keep in mind that Star Wars mythos is constantly expanding.

And how formidable were these assailants?

I agree that DE Sidious surpassed his natural potential.

Regarding influencing the Force-sensitivity of his servants; Vitiate could also influence the Force-sensitivity of his servants.

And Vitiate was so proficient in this aspect that he once commenced a ritual with which he could have exterminated entire Galaxy and turned himself in to an immortal being in true sense. He was stopped though.

He probably would have become a Human Dark Staff stronger than Son and Abeloth.

His story is over, what if: Palpatine had inhabited a Skywalker child? Who knows what he would have done afterward.

I would consider DE Sidious, Plagueis, Darth Nihilus and Vitiate as peers actually. No other being had gone so far in the Way of the Dark.

But this is a discussion of power actually achieved, both Plagueis and Sidious had the hacks in Sith Alchemy and Magic on a slightly higher caliber than Vitiate, especially Palpatine as Emperor.

Originally posted by Dolos
His story is over-if Palpatine had inhabited a Skywalker child who knows what he would have done afterward.

Vitiate's story leaves lot of room for exploration since he lasted so long.

Sidious wanted a Skywalker child because his power would deteriorate any cloned body which he would possess after a while. He wanted to address this shortfall and a Skywalker child would have been durable enough to tolerate his power.

Interestingly, Vitiate never bothered with clones. He possessed proper individuals.

Originally posted by Dolos
I would consider DE Sidious, Plagueis, Darth Nihilus and Vitiate as peers actually. No other being had gone so far in the Way of the Dark.

Good point.

Not sure about Nihilus though as he stopped caring about Sith teachings after he was consumed by his hunger.

Originally posted by Dolos
But this is a discussion of power actually achieved, both Plagueis and Sidious had the hacks in Sith Alchemy and Magic on a slightly higher caliber than Vitiate, especially Palpatine as Emperor.

Vitiate stopped his natural aging in perfect manner through Sith Alchemy. His next step was to become a God-like omnipotent being through the same approach. One can't get better then this.

Palpatine's aging was unnatural. The failure of his clone bodies was the result of sabotage, nothing more. Palpatine could possess "proper individuals", such as he did after his first death, before inhabiting his clone bodies he inhabited his Grand Vizier Sate Prestage.

You're focusing on Vitiate's age and time spent in studying, when you should consider this on the opposing argument:

The Rule of Two had evolved different teachings than the Sith Empire, and built upon whatever information Vitiate had to study, a thousand years of progressively stronger Sith Lords had learned fresh secrets of the Dark, less esoteric, more state of the art alchemy and aspects of the Dark Side. Take Darth Tenebrous and his Maxi-chlorians for example.

Then once Palpatine gained access to vastly more information upon becoming the Emperor, the information he now had access to was deeper in scale and scoop than Vitiate's. He had about six decades to study a far vaster database of Sith knowledge, three of those decades he had access to all Jedi knowledge upon raiding the Jedi Temple Library database.

Therefore the Emperor had EVERYTHING he needed to be stronger than Vitiate or any other Sith, he had knowledge of the means to achieve the greater power, and through the Way of the Dark his sensitivity grew infinitely after the Grand Experiment, after killing off the Jedi and billions of species throughout the clone war, and finally after his first death.

Even Plagueis was aware of Vitiate's planned ritual to Force drain the galaxy, that alone makes me question if Palpatine didn't ALREADY have more knowledge of the Dark Side than Vitiate before his ascension as Galactic Emperor - giving him access to esoteric teachings of the Force encompassing billions of worlds.

And yes, you can get better than killing a galaxy to gain a lot of power in the Dark Side...you can conquer a galaxy, gain even more power through killing species slowly over time...allowing them to repopulate for more steady growth in power, and rule the galaxy for ten thousand years.

Sidious would be the worst Dark Sider, his goals would eventually make him more dangerous than Vitiate, Plagueis, Anakin, Son and even Abeloth.

Actually Abeloth might be worse, she seemed to want to transform the entire Skywalker family into her own family of so-called Force Sensitive Monsters like herself (In Anchorite terms)....whom would all rule or Force drain the galaxy. Let that family grow large enough and you get the biggest nexus of Dark Side energy imaginable.

Originally posted by Dolos
Palpatine's aging was unnatural.

Palpatine wasn't aging naturally up till the incident at Death Star?

He had learned Transfer Essence which allowed him to survive the hinted incident and start fresh. During this phase, he wasn't aging or so it seems.

Originally posted by Dolos
The failure of his clone bodies was the result of sabotage, nothing more.

No. The clone bodies were not good enough to sustain his power and this is why they deteriorated fast during possession.

That sabotage event is different.

Originally posted by Dolos
Palpatine could possess "proper individuals", such as he did after his first death, before inhabiting his clone bodies he inhabited his Grand Vizier Sate Prestage.

Yes, he could.

Originally posted by Dolos
You're focusing on Vitiate's age and time spent in studying, when you should consider this on the opposing argument:

The Rule of Two had evolved different teachings than the Sith Empire, and built upon whatever information Vitiate had to study, a thousand years of progressively stronger Sith Lords had learned fresh secrets of the Dark, less esoteric, more state of the art alchemy and aspects of the Dark Side. Take Darth Tenebrous and his Maxi-chlorians for example.

Then once Palpatine gained access to vastly more information upon becoming the Emperor, the information he now had access to was deeper in scale and scoop than Vitiate's. He had about six decades to study a far vaster database of Sith knowledge, three of those decades he had access to all Jedi knowledge upon raiding the Jedi Temple Library database.

Therefore the Emperor had EVERYTHING he needed to be stronger than Vitiate or any other Sith, he had knowledge of the means to achieve the greater power, and through the Way of the Dark his sensitivity grew infinitely after the Grand Experiment, after killing off the Jedi and billions of species throughout the clone war, and finally after his first death.


RO2 was unique in the sense of strategy that it adopted to deal with the threat of the Jedi.

Sith gained considerable power during TOR era; Exar Kun's Empire; Revan's Sith Empire; and Vitiate's Sith Empire. However, Sith weakened considerably after the losses. This was apparent from the conditions of Sith during the time of Darth Bane.

Knowledge gained from Revan's holocron paved way for the Sith to regain their once lost power and so began the RO2 phase. Yes, the ideology behind RO2 was that only two Sith Lords would exist at a time and the Apprentice would have to surpass the Master in terms of power to advance the agenda of Sith.

Power wise, every member of RO2 phase was impressive. No doubt about this. However, this doesn't means that Sith Lords in previous eras were weaker. No.

Sith did became weak for an extensive period of time but regained eventually their power. However, Sith became weak once again during the time of Luke.

Also, I shall point out that Sidious managed to discover significant level of lost Sith Lore and this helped him in considerably improving his understanding of the Force. Much of the abilities that Sidious have demonstrated, have been performed by his predecessors. In fact, Sidious borrowed lot of ideas from TOR era Sith.

Midi-chlorian manipulation is a very old phenomenon because Vitiate have accomplished this objective. The only difference is that devices emerged during RO2 phase which allowed medication examination of Midi-Chlorians.

Originally posted by Dolos
Even Plagueis was aware of Vitiate's planned ritual to Force drain the galaxy, that alone makes me question if Palpatine didn't ALREADY have more knowledge of the Dark Side than Vitiate before his ascension as Galactic Emperor - giving him access to esoteric teachings of the Force encompassing billions of worlds.

We don't know. Vitiate had much longer time to delve in to the teachings of the dark side and we do not know about the full extent of his abilities.

Originally posted by Dolos
And yes, you can get better than killing a galaxy to gain a lot of power in the Dark Side...you can conquer a galaxy, gain even more power through killing species slowly over time...allowing them to repopulate for more steady growth in power, and rule the galaxy for ten thousand years.

No. The key to gain considerable power is through unnatural means. This is how both Vitiate and Sidious gained considerable power. These two individuals pushed the boundaries.

Originally posted by Dolos
Sidious would be the worst Dark Sider, his goals would eventually make him more dangerous than Vitiate, Plagueis, Anakin, Son and even Abeloth.

No. Sidious had materialistic mindset. He was interested in controlling the Galaxy rather then obliterating it.

Sith Emperor's codex entry:

Every decision the Sith Emperor has made for the last millennium has been in the service of one dark goal: the complete annihilation of every living thing in the galaxy. The Emperor's desire is not destruction for its own sake, however. He is not a nihilist. The Emperor intends to feed on the galaxy's extinction and draw that energy into himself, giving him true immortality–and a godlike mastery of the Force. The Jedi can only speculate on what the Emperor will do if his plan succeeds. Does he intend to preserve any followers, or live on alone? With such unlimited power, could he plant the seeds of life and raise a new galaxy from the old one’s ashes?

The Sith Emperor was willing to go this far for his personal ambitions. No other Sith had such plans. In fact, some Sith started to hate the Sith Emperor when they learned about his ambitions. And this is why the other Sith often rebelled against him. One particular Sith Lord, Scourge, even went as far as to help the Jedi stop Sith Emperor.

Originally posted by Dolos
Actually Abeloth might be worse, she seemed to want to transform the entire Skywalker family into her own family of so-called Force Sensitive Monsters like herself (In Anchorite terms)....whom would all rule or Force drain the galaxy. Let that family grow large enough and you get the biggest nexus of Dark Side energy imaginable

Abeloth was extremely corrupted. However, she wasn't a Sith in practice. Also, her main ambition was to recreate the family of the Ones in memory of the real ones she lost. Apart from this, I don't see any ambition that was as twisted as that of the Sith Emperor.

Palpatine's first clone body was already aged. Palpatine's second clone body was perfect, and he was immortal in that clone body. After it was destroyed his genetic template would be diluted, and the next clones were imperfect. He had no good clone bodies after that, which was why he wanted to possess a "proper individual", which would allow him to use the Skywalker family in the way that Vitiate used his sovereign servants as host bodies, with Luke being the equivalent of the Emperor's wrath.

Vitiate had an Empire, but he failed to conquer the galaxy, Sidious was more successful, and his goals were more destructive in theory. Vitiate could Force drain the galaxy, but that is the immediate destruction of about quintillion sentient - over a ten thousand year rain Sidious would feed off the galaxy slowly over time, while many are sacrificed to feed his power more regulate, over time that's more sentient being destroyed.

And recreating the galaxy would be a tremendous strain on Vitiate, Sidious would waste any power because his method is more efficient.

Originally posted by Dolos
Palpatine's first clone body was already aged. Palpatine's second clone body was perfect, and he was immortal in that clone body. After it was destroyed his genetic template would be diluted, and the next clones were imperfect. He had no good clone bodies after that, which was why he wanted to possess a "proper individual", which would allow him to use the Skywalker family in the way that Vitiate used his sovereign servants as host bodies, with Luke being the equivalent of the Emperor's wrath.

This is informative. Thanks. Any source that explains this in detail?

Originally posted by Dolos
Vitiate had an Empire, but he failed to conquer the galaxy, Sidious was more successful, and his goals were more destructive in theory.

Actually no Sith was ever able to fully conquer the Republic through external means and open war. The Republic always had been such a vast and resourceful civilization.

Few came close though; Revan; Malak, and Vitiate are most notable examples that I remember. But their progression halted due to internal betrayals.

RO2 Sith learned from history and adopted a different strategy: the objective was to gain control of the Republic from within, instead of attempting to conquer it through external means/open wars. This is how Sidious succeeded. He fooled the Jedi Order and many politicians in this manner. Yes, Sidious was extremely smart and understood Force in the ways that few in the history ever did.

As far as destructive goals are concerned; I don't think that any action can be more destructive then mass murder on a Galaxy-wide scale in a short span of time.

Your information suggests that Sidious was willing to inflict long-lasting sufferings:

Originally posted by Dolos
Vitiate could Force drain the galaxy, but that is the immediate destruction of about quintillion sentient - over a ten thousand year rain Sidious would feed off the galaxy slowly over time, while many are sacrificed to feed his power more regulate, over time that's more sentient being destroyed.

Very cruel in indeed, if true. However, Galaxy-wide extermination is more brutal and barbaric act in comparison.

Originally posted by Dolos
And recreating the galaxy would be a tremendous strain on Vitiate, Sidious would waste any power because his method is more efficient.

After the kind of power that Vitiate would have gained with such a plan; don't know.

Efficiency wise, both of these Sith are ELITE. Sith Emperor was stated to be extraordinarily patient and calculative.

Anyways, it was nice debating with you. 🙂

Boring conversation anyway.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You mean to say that instantaneous reaction is no big deal?

How about exceptional precognitive abilities and reactions that complement such abilities? Good enough?

You know what never mind, you don't get my point.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I brought some information to light. Nothing wrong with it. The main beauty of debate is that people learn from each other and adapt accordingly.

Ok. I think that "extraordinary" would be appropriate word to use since Revan proved his mettle during wars.

Thats fair enough, i don't know who would want to underrate Revan given that there is enough material on him now.

I do agree however that its absurd that sidious can simply "speed blitz" Revan and Malgus in an instant and chop them up. I mean in my opinion, Sidious would win 1v1, but its no easy kill or fight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I have started playing this game recently.
Good my friend, which faction and class?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I don't have any issue with citing cutscenes. The advantage of novels is that they explain the events in cutscenes; removing the room for subjective assessments.

I cite cutscenes in my debates. FYI.

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If I had made such a statement, it would be typing error that I overlooked.

For realistic Force display part; my argument was about Non-CGI 2D Animated CW and not TFU, if I recall correctly. TOR era characters have not been depicted in this kind of medium yet, which allows characters to be ridiculously overpowered and any sort of comparison is invalidated due to differences in the nature of sources/depictions.

ok then, case closed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Impressive. Now do some digging on Children of the Emperor and how the Sith Emperor controls them.

The Sith Emperor can even mask/suppress the Force-sensitivity of these individuals at will to conceal them within the Jedi Order. And the Sith Emperor controls them from another part of the Galaxy.

More impressive, correct?

To be honest, to me, in my personal opinion, its not something special anymore, Vader, Baras, Nadd, all could attack their victims with the force from another part of the galaxy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I know him. However, I haven't reached so far in the game to know his abilities. You listed some and they are very impressive.

I am not surprised.

I would argue that since Intelligence calls him the second most powerful sith in the empire and that he has very similar feats to Nihilus(not the drain thing), that he is probably more powerful than Malgus, Satale and Revan. But thats a different story.

So many people in the mmo play as SI and SW's that many people don't actually realize Jadus existence, the sad thing is you only meet him as the IA and he only plays a major pivotal role in act 1.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

My tolerance threshold isn't low even by internet standards. However, this doesn't means that I should be comfortable with an insult of any degree. Rules are their for a reason.

Personally, I have nothing against you. And I don't expect you to make things personal with me in confrontationist sense.

Ok then i apologize.

Now, since its a known fact that the Emperor isn't truly dead yet, do you think his original pureblood body still exists, or do you think only his essence exists?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Impressive. Now do some digging on Children of the Emperor and how the Sith Emperor controls them.

The Sith Emperor can even mask/suppress the Force-sensitivity of these individuals at will to conceal them within the Jedi Order. And the Sith Emperor controls them from another part of the Galaxy.

More impressive, correct?

No, it's not more impressive. Vitiate already absorbs them in his will before he sends them across the galaxy. They are basically already extensions of his will, the same way Palpatine's dark side adepts are extensions of his. Neither is more impressive than Palpatine instantly putting one of the most powerful sith lords in galactic history on his knees via a telepathic attack, while in another part of the galaxy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Haven't you read Revan's novel?

Nope. I've read plenty of excerpts, and I've not seen anything that suggests his lightning is superior to Palpatine's. And I'm pretty sure if there was, it would have been posted long ago. Having superior lightning to Nyriss, does not mean he has superior lightning than Palpatine, unless Nyriss's lighting is equal or superior to Palpatine's, and they are neither. Revan was able to contain Vitiate's lightning with his saber, whereas Palpatine blasts Yoda's right out of his hands.

Originally posted by Dolos
before inhabiting his clone bodies he inhabited his Grand Vizier Sate Prestage.

Jeng Droga, not Pestage.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
I do agree however that its absurd that sidious can simply "speed blitz" Revan and Malgus in an instant

Why is it absurb?

SIDIOUS_66
Nope.

Good, spare yourself the ensuing misery: the book is atrocious.

SIDIOUS_66
Why is it absurb?

To be fair, I also think it is an absurd notion... but it is one that has a sturdy foundation in terms of canon support.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, it's not more impressive. Vitiate already absorbs them in his will before he sends them across the galaxy. They are basically already extensions of his will, the same way Palpatine's dark side adepts are extensions of his. Neither is more impressive than Palpatine instantly putting one of the most powerful sith lords in galactic history on his knees via a telepathic attack, while in another part of the galaxy.

Good point. I think that both Sidious and Vitiate packed very impressive telepathic abilities. I won't expand on this case until my copy of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia arrives.

Though Vitiate' greatest telepathic feat in Nathema is extraordinary in history.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nope. I've read plenty of excerpts, and I've not seen anything that suggests his lightning is superior to Palpatine's. And I'm pretty sure if there was, it would have been posted long ago. Having superior lightning to Nyriss, does not mean he has superior lightning than Palpatine, unless Nyriss's lighting is equal or superior to Palpatine's, and they are neither. Revan was able to contain Vitiate's lightning with his saber, whereas Palpatine blasts Yoda's right out of his hands.

This issue has been discussed several times, as I recall. It is possible that you overlooked them.

Point is that I am not trying to put down Sidious in terms of capabilities. However, to assume that Sidious is at top in every context is a fallacy.

A normal concentrated burst of Force Lightning from Nyriss instantly reduced two guards to charred smoking husks simultaneously. Scourge and Meetra were able to handle these lethal bolts, keeping in mind that these two were also powerful Force-wielders, and Meetra specially had history with Sith Triumvirate. However, Nyriss possessed the capability to quickly reduce even these two powerful Force-wielders to charred smoking husks with her Force Lightning. When she gathered such power, Revan stepped-in and redirected her power back at her. Even though Nyriss was very powerful in the Force, she was not able to tolerate her own power and was quickly destroyed. This event not just reveals that Nyriss was extraordinarily proficient in Force Lightning but Revan was extraordinarily proficient in Tutaminis.

So when we power-scale by keeping Sith Triumvirate in mind; we are left in awe.

In contrast, Sidious once reduced 3 Sith Acolytes to skeletons; this feat indicates that he was highly proficient in Force Lightning. However, Sidious never managed to reduce a powerful Force-wielder to charred smoking husk with his Force Lightning; Not Luke; Not Gallen; Not Mace; Not Yoda; not any powerful Force-wielder.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Jeng Droga, not Pestage.

Thank you for clarifying.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Why is it absurb?

Because Revan has been promoted as the Champion of the Jedi Order with extraordinary precognitive abilities. From PT era, Mace has been recently promoted as the Champion of the Jedi Order. Forget about reaction rate or whatever since we don't know exact limits of Revan in this regard. However, the manner in which Revan handled an Imperial Guard, speaks volumes about how good he is with precognition. In a few steps he cut down an opponent who was not just empowered by Sith Emperor but could go toe-to-toe with EXPERT swordsmen in combat.

This is why it is important for you to read Revan' novel. I know that it isn't such high quality work but it will still increase your understanding of several TOR era characters.

And Malgus have contended with highly skilled lightsaber combatants. It would be unwise to assume that these guys sucked in precognitive abilities as well.

Both Revan and Malgus have superior showings in combat then the 3 Jedi Masters whom Sidious blitzed. This is common sense.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
To be fair, I also think it is an absurd notion... but it is one that has a sturdy foundation in terms of canon support.

Good that you eventually realize the absurdity of this notion. However, I disagree that canon supports this notion. Reasons mentioned above.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
You know what never mind, you don't get my point.

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Originally posted by shinkoryu
Thats fair enough, i don't know who would want to underrate Revan given that there is enough material on him now.

Indeed.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
I do agree however that its absurd that sidious can simply "speed blitz" Revan and Malgus in an instant and chop them up. I mean in my opinion, Sidious would win 1v1, but its no easy kill or fight.

Not to forget that Revan is more accomplished warrior then all of those 3 Jedi Masters whom Sidious blizted.

Yes, it is possible that Sidious may subdue Revan in a lightsaber duel after a decent effort. However, I think that this issue will remain ambiguous for now.

It shall be noted that Revan's precognition have never failed him in a lightsaber duel, as far as what has been revealed about him to date. Sidious did got his hand chopped off once.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Good my friend, which faction and class?

Thank you for calling me friend. 🙂

I am playing as Jedi Knight. I have reached level 11 but I am confused about which class to pick. I have asked some questions here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=488601&pagenumber=39#post14117298

Your input will be appreciated in this regard. 🙂

Originally posted by shinkoryu
ok then, case closed.

Thank you.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
To be honest, to me, in my personal opinion, its not something special anymore, Vader, Baras, Nadd, all could attack their victims with the force from another part of the galaxy.

The more you reveal, the more I am amazed. I mean, TOR era characters need some screen-time. 😄

Originally posted by shinkoryu
I would argue that since Intelligence calls him the second most powerful sith in the empire and that he has very similar feats to Nihilus(not the drain thing), that he is probably more powerful than Malgus, Satale and Revan. But thats a different story.

I think that Darth Jadus is an amazing character. He should be deeply explored. Though, I also think that Malgus, Satele and Revan should also be explored further.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
So many people in the mmo play as SI and SW's that many people don't actually realize Jadus existence, the sad thing is you only meet him as the IA and he only plays a major pivotal role in act 1.
Ok then i apologize.

I hope that this character doesn't remains inadequately explored like Darth Nihilus.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Now, since its a known fact that the Emperor isn't truly dead yet, do you think his original pureblood body still exists, or do you think only his essence exists?

What I have learned from available hints is that the Sith Emperor became very cautious after Revan's second assassination attempt. He preserved his original body and started using Voices afterwards.

I wonder, if the Sith Emperor was in his original body, when he overpowered that Jedi Strike Team. He was wearing a MASK during that encounter.

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Are people really claiming that the Children of the Emperor make Vitiate more impressive than Palpatine...the same Palpatine that masked his presence from the Jedi Order for decades, while being on the same world as their homeworld.
He pulled the wool over the eyes of the Jedi Order in its golden age, with Masters like Yoda, and Mace not even being able to pierce the shroud of the Dark Side...that was embodied in him.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Are people really claiming that the Children of the Emperor make Vitiate more impressive than Palpatine...the same Palpatine that masked his presence from the Jedi Order for decades, while being on the same world as their homeworld.
He pulled the wool over the eyes of the Jedi Order in its golden age, with Masters like Yoda, and Mace not even being able to pierce the shroud of the Dark Side...that was embodied in him.

You'll find the stupidity of such individuals is quite... legendary.

I was under the impression that most people here knew that Sidious would wear Vitiate like a new boot.