HP Doomsday vs Destroyer

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor being shown more powerful? That's a lie. Thor didn't nothing in Destroyer to show himself more powerful than the random joe animating it. I'll prove it here:

Random Joe animating Destroyer easily sliced Mjolnir in half with a single hand blast.

Now Destroyer animated by Thor can't even decapitate Garm, the guardian of Hel.
Unless you think Garm is far more durable than Mjolnir.

Then we have Thor blasting a bunch of fodder type stuff, Giants, rocks, skeletons, etc. Nothing significant. Hell Hela blocks his beams well.

Also Thor constantly references that he has the power of the destroyer (as per writer's intentions).
"For the Destroyer is beyond death." "No one is is mightier than the Destroyer!"

See here:

and Thor throws away the hammer and says "[b]What need have I for a mere hammer...when the energies within my frame are powerful enough to divide even worlds in twain?!" This implies that Thor's own power (Mjolnir) is nothing compared to the Destroyer's power. So Thor adding Mjolnir is a downgrade to the destroyer's power. [/B]

Why don't you post what happens right before Thor's spirit is released from the Destroyer Armor?

Because if you did, you'd realize that Thor had control of the armor the entire time and wasn't seriously trying to cause massive death and destruction to Hela or her realm. In fact, it was a ploy to make her give him back his original body.

Thor was holding back the entire time.

Originally posted by h1a8
Oh and I forgot, Destroyer doesn't have Mjolnir in this fight. Why change the goalposts to something that has nothing to do with who will win this fight?

What's to stop King Thor from summoning Mjolnir?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mjolnir can do more than just teleport, so being able to use it's abilities in battle does more the Destroyer more powerful.

BTW, the OP never said that BFR was banned, nor did he ban Mjolnir.

Why would Odin do that if he felt it would add nothing to the Destroyer's power?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's to stop King Thor from summoning Mjolnir?

No outside help
Standard gear

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why don't you post what happens right before Thor's spirit is released from the Destroyer Armor?

Because if you did, you'd realize that Thor had control of the armor the entire time and wasn't seriously trying to cause massive death and destruction to Hela or her realm. In fact, it was a ploy to make her give him back his original body.

Thor was holding back the entire time.

I'm the joker baby. I'm 2 steps ahead of you. I thought of this long before hand and waited until you replied about it. My subtle rebuttal is

then the showing can't be used as proof that the Destroyer is more powerful with Thor animating it vs. a random joe since we have superior feats with the random joe.

Originally posted by h1a8
No outside help
Standard gear

Mjolnir is standard gear for the "most current" version of King Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm the joker baby. I'm 2 steps ahead of you. I thought of this long before hand and waited until you replied about it. My subtle rebuttal is

then the showing can't be used as proof that the Destroyer is more powerful with Thor animating it vs. a random joe since we have superior feats with the random joe.

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Thor held back the entire time. That doesn't mean he's weaker than a normal random dude as he exhibited greater control of the armor and didn't risk going mad as well as possessed Mjolnir and could call upon his own powers. Odin likewise could do the same while possessing the armor.

Seriously, you're reaching and stretching to nigh Reed Richards' length to attempt to prove and argue that the likes of Superman isn't all that less durable than Mjolnir and the Destroyer Armor based on Doomsday hurting him easily, ergo Doomsday could wreck the armor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mjolnir can do more than just teleport, so being able to use it's abilities in battle does more the Destroyer more powerful.

BTW, the OP never said that BFR was banned, nor did he ban Mjolnir.

Standard equipment. Destroyer doesn't have Mjolnir as standard equipment.
Let me see
Destroyer's blasts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any Mjolnir power output
What other abilities from Mjolnir that Thor normally uses and are relevant to this fight that can defeat DD better than Destroyer's own awesome power?

Originally posted by h1a8
Standard equipment. Destroyer doesn't have Mjolnir as standard equipment.
Let me see
Destroyer's blasts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any Mjolnir power output
What other abilities from Mjolnir that Thor normally uses and are relevant to this fight that can defeat DD better than Destroyer's own awesome power?

Mjolnir is standard equipment for Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Thor held back the entire time. That doesn't mean he's weaker than a normal random dude as he exhibited greater control of the armor and didn't risk going mad as well as possessed Mjolnir and could call upon his own powers. Odin likewise could do the same while possessing the armor.

Seriously, you're reaching and stretching to nigh Reed Richards' length to attempt to prove and argue that the likes of Superman isn't all that less durable than Mjolnir and the Destroyer Armor based on Doomsday hurting him easily, ergo Doomsday could wreck the armor.

I didn't say or claim he was weaker. I said he can't be proven to be stronger because he has no showings of stronger power output than the random joe. Remember my initial claim was that they are equals in power.

Why am I reaching? Don't we go by feats? Don't you use Thor's feats (the most crazy ones too) to back you up? Superman has the crazy ass feats to show he isn't too far from Mjolnir in durability. I think you are going by looks. Metal looks a lot more durable than skin does. Hell Colossus looks more durable than Superman. It makes sense now.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mjolnir is standard equipment for Thor.

This isn't Thor but Destroyer animated by Thor. Thor is nowhere around.

Originally posted by zopzop
There must be something to this statement because just recently, when Galactus put Odin into a mini coma, Odin's spirit went into the Destroyer armor AND summoned Mjolnir to it's hand and then went off to face Galactus again.

Why would Odin do that if he felt it would add nothing to the Destroyer's power?

You DO know that your original argument was that King Thor's powers WOULD NOT add to The Destroyer armor right?

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say or claim he was weaker. I said he can't be proven to be stronger because he has no showings of stronger power output than the random joe. Remember my initial claim was that they are equals in power.

Why am I reaching? Don't we go by feats? Don't you use Thor's feats to back you up? Superman has the crazy ass feats to show he isn't too far from Mjolnir in durability. I think you are going by looks. Metal looks a lot more durable than skin does. It makes sense now.

By feats, Superman isn't portrayed as being anywhere close to being durable as Mjolnir.

Someone weaker and durable than Superman such as Wonder Woman can hit him and cause him pain or even draw blood. She could punch and hit Mjolnir indefinitely and not cause a single crack.

Not even the most unhinged Kal fans - they know who they are - would argue that Superman is as durable as Mjolnir or even more so.

So, no, hurting Superman, even hurting Superman easily doesn't equate into the capability of damaging Mjolnir, let alone something stronger than it.

Originally posted by h1a8
This isn't Thor but Destroyer animated by Thor. Thor is nowhere around.

KT is animating the Destroyer and Mjolnir is part of his standard equipment.

Plus, Thor being able to use Mjolnir's abilities in the armor proves that KT will have full access to his usual powers + those of the Destroyer.

Originally posted by h1a8
This isn't Thor but Destroyer animated by Thor. Thor is nowhere around.

You kidding me?

Thor summons it anyway. Which is a power of Thor's due to being linked to Mjolnir.

Unless the OP bans it, there's no logical reason why Mjolnir shouldn't be in this thread outside of you arguing that it shouldn't be.

And really, he doesn't need it anyway as this thread's already spite.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You DO know that your original argument was that King Thor's powers WOULD NOT add to The Destroyer armor right?

True, I stand by it. Destroyer=Destroyer in power output, no matter what single soul is animating it.

Originally posted by h1a8
True, I stand by it. Destroyer=Destroyer in power output, no matter what single soul is animating it.

Except, we have shown that if the person animating it has abilities of their own, they can still use them while in the Destroyer and a being that has the abilities of King Thor + the Destroyer is going to be more powerful than someone with just the Destroyer's abilities.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You kidding me?

Thor summons it anyway. Which is a power of Thor's due to being linked to Mjolnir.

Unless the OP bans it, there's no logical reason why Mjolnir shouldn't be in this thread outside of you arguing that it shouldn't be.

And really, he doesn't need it anyway as this thread's already spite.

The OP had no intentions of Mjolnir being used in this fight. Also
If he doesn't need it then argue the fight without it, since it's still spite.

I have good arguments backed up by on panel proof that DD has a decent chance to win (and thus not spite).

Originally posted by h1a8
The OP had no intentions of Mjolnir being used in this fight. Also
If he doesn't need it then argue the fight without it, since it's still spite.

I have good arguments backed up by on panel proof that DD has a decent chance to win (and thus not spite).

Since when do you speak for the OP?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except, we have shown that if the person animating it has abilities of their own, they can still use them while in the Destroyer and a being that has the abilities of King Thor + the Destroyer is going to be more powerful than someone with just the Destroyer's abilities.

No you haven't. You shown Destroyer using Mjolnir's abilities, not Thor's. Hell, we see Thor pick the hammer up and not summon it.