Dooku vs. Zannah

Originally posted by Arhael
Palpatine moves faster than hyperspace traveling? 😱

Well it is a bit to extreme to say that. But it's safe to say that Tiin is exceptional with pregoc and reaction speed among force users. And the way Sidious slaughtered him right after slaughtering Kolar suggests that Palpatine's speed is far beyond even his inhanced reaction.

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/silver2467/saesee-tiin-respect-thread/87-78153/

There is also a list of other speed feats from Tiin here (along with sources)

Ye, I know that.
Blaster bolts for example (not even talking about hyperspace) are much faster than Sidious or any other Force user. Those Jedi simply couldn't anticipate him and it is not necessarily because of speed.

Force users can confuse precognition of others:
"This allowed him to keep his mind focused so he could use the Force to anticipate his opponent's moves, while at the same time obscuring and confusing his enemy's own precognitive senses."

Jaina got kicked by Boba Fett. She was focused on him and still completely failed to anticipate his attack. If non-sensitive can pull such trick, so can Force user of Palpatine's caliber.

As for Bane's rain feat. Well, it is written by Karpyshyn, in his books even average lightning vaporises instantly.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, you're just not getting what I'm saying. Physical force of a lightsaber attack can somewhat slow a person down. For example, it was the power behind Anakin's attacks that allowed him to beat Dooku, causing Dooku to stagger. However, Dooku was reacting to Anakin's attacks just fine. It was Anakin's strength that Dooku was having trouble with. Now, if the strength/impact behind Anakin's attacks were replaced with the impact of rain, then Dooku would have casually defended against the attacks just fine considering that Anakin isn't much faster than Dooku. Dooku also didn't have trouble reacting to Savage's speed considering that Dooku is considerably faster (it's how he dodged Savage's strikes while unarmed afterall); it was the strength behind Savage's attacks that Dooku couldn't defend against.

If you're assuming that Bane for whatever reason, still has to meet the force of Sidious' swings - then Sidious is still beat.

Palpatine is a small 5'8 man, while Bane is heavier and around 6'5.

Both empower their attacks with the Force, but Bane is heavier, bigger and more physically-imposing.

Sidious' feeble physicality is a trivial factor, here.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

If you are implying that Bane is so fast that he can blitz opponents before crossing blades with them, then give me a feat that shows him doing that. He has never replicated the same amount of speed in combat. He has never blitzed exceptionally fast jedi as easily as Palpatine has. His best speed feat was [b]defending himself from rain. [/B]

Which is much greater speed than anything we've seen from Sidious.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

And again, defensive speed is not the same as offensive speed.

You have no clue of what you're talking about. Speed is speed; it just depends on how it's utilized.

And if one has great defensive speed - then they can set up for an interceptive-attack - using defensive speed to create an opening, and then time a strike which goes through the opening; into the target.

In MMA, this would be known as "Counter-striking" - which would hinge on "defensive speed".

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

You and Neph can argue "yah-huh" all you want. Dooku reacted to Yoda's speed, but that doesn't mean he can attack as fast.

Apparently they could attack as quickly as each other - as neither was able to strike the other; and simply defended during the skirmish.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

It depends on who you're fighting. Defending against the speed of Palpatine's attacks would be far more trouble for Bane than defending against rain, as Palpatine's attacks would have about a million times the greater impact.

Bane is bigger, heavier, and the stronger man.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

And you have not quite proven that Bane is faster than Palpatine, who can move far beyond the inhanced

It's "enhanced".

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

perception and reaction speed of jedi who can use the force to navigate starships in hyperspace, or casually defend against mulitiple blaster bolts at once (Palpatine can also defend against opponents who stalemate him in speed). The best you can do is grasp at straws and say that the force was dampening the jedi's ability to use the force, as if that somehow change's their accomplished feats; it doesn't.

Yeah, typically gimping someone's abilities, does affect their overall ability to fight. 😮‍💨

And while the "hyperspace" thing is probably an Apples/Oranges thing, Bane can also defend multiple blaster bolts at once - oh, and thousands of tiny projectiles hurled from the sky, as well.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

I have absolutley no idea

You are the one with the period, after all. How did that go down, by the way?

Is there still blood in your underwear?

And yes, you "absolutely" have no clue as to what you're talking about, or how to win this debate.

You know that Bane has demonstrated greater speed than Palpatine, and he's also beaten great Jedi, who weren't gimped in the Force.

Shadow Conspiracy
Sidious retrieved a pair of elegant-looking lightsabers from within the depths of his robes and ignited them. The blades turned his pale face a hellish red.

Maul and Savage didn’t waste time seeking an advantageous position. They simply charged, blades humming, trying to overpower Sidious with the animal ferocity of their attack. Sidious caught their sabers on his, the weapons howling and crackling where they touched. Maul saw that Savage was startled by the seemingly frail man’s enormous strength.

Maul's considerable physique notwithstanding, Opress is a veritable juggernaut taller than Bane himself by 18 centimeters and has ragdolled plenty of Jedi Knights and Masters through sheer strength alone. If Sidious can catch a two-handed strike made with concerted effort from Opress with one hand while simultaneously dealing with one from Maul, there's no way in hell to conclude Bane's going to win this through sheer physicality.

Arhael
Those Jedi simply couldn't anticipate him and it is not necessarily because of speed.

The complete encyclopedia attributes their death to Palpatine's dark side-enhanced speed: "It granted him unnatural dexterity and speed—enough to quickly kill three Jedi Masters and force the mighty Mace Windu back" (Windu's entry). Add to the fact that Sidious choreographed the shit out of the opening strike and I find it unlikely that they simply didn't see it coming. Unless, of course, it was too fast for them to see.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Unless, of course, it was too fast for them to see.

Recall, Luke's training session in ANH. His eyes were closed. He felt the droid and was putting lightsaber in the pass of blaster bolts before they were even shot. Speed of blaster bolts was irrelevant because lightsaber was placed in the right position in advance to intercept it. Speed alone is insufficient factor, it;s all about prediction.

Indeed, Sidious is blindly fast. Quote you provided, also, mentions dexterity apart from speed but don't want to speculate on that.
It just doesn't make sense to me that Luke holding lightsaber second time in his life can anticipate blaster bolt with close eyes, yet, two Jedi masters failed to even flick their lightsaber in a failed attempt to block attack.

Originally posted by Rookwood
If you're assuming that Bane for whatever reason, still has to meet the force of Sidious' swings

He will and the force behind Palpatine's attacks are enough to slow him down considerably. Not saying Palpatine will own Bane through sheer strength as easily as Anakin did Dooku or anything, but the force behind Palpatine's attacks are such that Bane wouldn't be defending as fast as he did against the rain considering that far more pressure would be applied against his saber, slowing down his movements.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Which is much greater speed than anything we've seen from Sidious.

Not convinced.

Originally posted by Rookwood
You are the one with the period, after all. How did that go down, by the way?

Idk. Since you seem to be turned on by the thought of it seeing how you keep asking about it, how 'bout you come taste it and find out.

Originally posted by Rookwood
You know that Bane has demonstrated greater speed than Palpatine, and he's also beaten great Jedi, who weren't gimped in the Force.

Right. lol

Bane has blitzed far greater jedi (what were their names again? lmao) than Palpatine has.

Move on, troll.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He will and the force behind Palpatine's attacks are enough to slow him down considerably. Not saying Palpatine will own Bane through sheer strength as easily as Anakin did Dooku or anything, but the force behind Palpatine's attacks are such that Bane wouldn't be defending as fast as he did against the rain considering that far more pressure would be applied against his saber, slowing down his movements.

Palpatine is smaller and weaker than Bane, and would be little more than a speed bump to him.

And not much later, a dead little speed bump.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Not convinced.

And I'm convinced that the slower Sidious can't keep up with his much larger, stronger; faster adversary.

Sidious has yet to show anything that can compare with the pure physicality of Bane's storm feat.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Idk. Since you seem to be turned on by the thought of it seeing how you keep asking about it, how 'bout you come taste it and find out.

I should know the address of the one who is going to be sucking my dick. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Right. lol

Bane has blitzed far greater jedi (what were their names again? lmao) than Palpatine has.

Palpatine rushed some Jedi, whose senses were dulled by the Dark side - and he was still kicked down, by a Jedi weaker than Yoda, afterwards.

Palpatine is too weak; too slow.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Move on, troll.

Right after I make you pregnant, I'm going to name my kid Dessel.

- And I'll sue you in court, to retain custody of him. 😆

Originally posted by Rookwood
Palpatine is smaller and weaker than Bane,

A quick whizz through this page and I can see the weakness thing has already been addressed.

Anyway I've not read any Bane novels but can someone please explain why the heck Bane was desperately defending himself from rain drops?

I hope it was some seriously acidic rain.

He was training.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
A quick whizz through this page and I can see the weakness thing has already been addressed.

Anyway I've not read any Bane novels but can someone please explain why the heck Bane was desperately defending himself from rain drops?

I hope it was some seriously acidic rain.

Hes had a crippliung fear of water ever since his father tried to drown him when he was a 6 years old.

Regardless of all this tangential banter, Bane>Dooku every day of the week. Bane directly states that Zannah had the potential to surpass him in the Force, she took the mantle from him in the end, and her sorcery gives her an edge over whatever Dooku could throw her way.

Dooku falls to the superior Sith.

In terms of pure speed, the physical attributes and demands of Bane's rain-feat go beyond everyone in the mythos, except for Luke.

I would suggest that maybe Luke wasn't going all-out but he was in a legitimately murderous mood. The only possibility is that the lightwhip makes it harder to blitz because of the length and unpredictable nature of the attack pattern. He didn't have the shoto as well.

However, after looking at the fight, Lumiya does actually block his attacks with her lightwhip handle. Multiple times, its implied.

What is Lueks best speed feat?

I am pretty interested in that myself. IIRC his best feat was during a Battle Meld with Jacen and Jaina. I can't recall much else from him.

Not exactly.

I'm looking through Silver's Respect Thread atm.

X-wings flying at near-relativistic speeds is still loltarded.

Why is it that you are extraordinarily butthurt about "l33t feats" only when they're not attached to, say, Bane? mmm

Because Bane's feats actually make sense within the framework of the mythos and, well, physics. For the Rebels to be flying around at near-lightspeed is retarded given that they are mere humans. In Ep. 1, Anakin was the only human with the reflexes fast enough to perform podracing, and podracers only go a few machs at best, so we know that humans are not secretly super sayains in Star Wars (alliteration ftw!). The novels claim makes no sense and is utterly ridiculous. Surely you must know that.

I'm not defending the X-Wing notion, which is retarded, but then this franchise has been morbidly inconsistent with character depictions.

It's just been a recurring theme that you have a really hard time accepting when your boy/s are outplayed. It's ok that Nihilus can fart and blow up planets but god forbid someone ever move faster than Bane. facepalm