Originally posted by TheOneOfMortisProve that it was, or admit that you're frantically trying to backpeddle if you can't.
This can certainly be case between Anakin and Cin Drallig,
I get impression Fightsaber says no such thing, [/B]You get that impression because it proves you wrong. Feel free to look it up yourself in Wookie or just download it if you doubt me. I've provided you the source.
Originally posted by NephthysBecause he destroyed the support structure, not the building itself, which is what I said. Do you know what a a "building foundation is"?
Because Bane's Force Wave was sufficient to shake the foundations of the temple? Lol. You said he destroyed on single pillar that brought down the rest of the temple, so how exactly does that quote make you 'right'?
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Because he destroyed the support structure, not the building itself, which is what I said. Do you know what a a "building foundation is"?
He shook the foundations, nowhere does it say he destroyed them. The destruction is very clearly spelled out to us: First the archway was obliterated and then the roof and rest of the temple imploded upon itself.
When did the feat look pathetic in the first place? I wasn't aware that blowing up buildings was a sneer-worthy feat in the mythos.
He demolished the building with the force of his Wave. His wave was enough to shatter the entire building and destroy it. Nowhere does it say that the building collapsed under its own weight, the text very clearly attributes the buildings destruction to Bane's Force Wave which I remind you, had enough force to liquify Kas'ims bones with only a fraction of the Wave and shake the very foundations of the temple. If you'll recall from Kotor, the temple continues far underground. I'm really not seeing how this is a 'pathetic' feat or how anyone is purposefully exaggerating the feat. Bane destroyed the temple and that is all anyone has claimed.
Blax is right: the Temple's implosion is a sign of compromised structural integrity. All Bane need do is weaken the essential support just enough and allow the temple's weight to do the rest.
Coupled with the fact that this is on Lehon, a location extraordinarily powerful in the Force, the feat isn't all that impressive.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh really? Where exactly is that stated Tempest? Please, point it out to me. I'm very interested in where the evidence for this 'compromised structural integrity' can be found.
The fact that the temple imploded rather than disintegrate, scatter, topple?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I must say, its very hard to take peoples argument seriously when they're purposefully downplaying a feat.
Well thank God you're above all that.
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When a building is surrounded by other buildings, it may be necessary to "implode" the building, that is, make it collapse down into its footprint. In this article, we'll find out how demolition crews plan and execute these spectacular implosions.The basic idea of explosive demolition is quite simple: If you remove the support structure of a building at a certain point, the section of the building above that point will fall down on the part of the building below that point. If this upper section is heavy enough, it will collide with the lower part with sufficient force to cause significant damage. The explosives are just the trigger for the demolition. It's gravity that brings the building down.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The fact that the temple imploded rather than disintegrate, scatter, topple?
And so did the archway, which was very clearly described as being shattered by Bane's Force Wave. It collapsed and fell on top of Kas'im. Was that structural weakness too?
Recall that 'the rest of the roof' collapsed, meaning all of the roof. Given the sheer size and shape of the temple and that it has multiple floors, deep, strong foundations and support in the way of rooms and therefore, walls inside the temple, this means that every support for the temples roof must have been simultaneously destroyed by Bane's Wave. Why is this feat so unimpressive again?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And so did the archway, which was very clearly described as being shattered by Bane's Force Wave. It collapsed and fell on top of Kas'im. Was that structural weakness too?Recall that 'the rest of the roof' collapsed, meaning all of the roof. Given the sheer size and shape of the temple and that it has multiple floors, deep, strong foundations and support in the way of rooms and therefore, walls inside the temple, this means that every support for the temples roof must have been simultaneously destroyed by Bane's Wave.
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Path of Destruction
There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas'im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble.
Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple's implosion
from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him. Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder.
This is the sequence of events: (1) the wave rocked the Temple's foundations, (2) the walls exploded, (3) the archway collapsed, (4) the roof caved in, (5) the temple imploded.
Bane's disruption of the foundations is what caused all of it. It shook, destroying the walls and collapsing the archway, followed by the roof. The structural support was compromised by the building's wobbling, not unlike an earthquake. Weight and gravity conspired to do the rest.
If it had been destroyed by Bane's wave in the way you mean it, the building would have toppled back from the force he applied, rather like if I shove you to the ground. Instead, the text clearly says it imploded.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why is this feat so unimpressive again?
Because compromising a building's structural integrity and it imploding is a far cry from scattering it to the four winds. Especially on a world extremely powerful in the Force.
It's all relative, of course. What he did is more impressive than, say, Luke snatching his lightsaber from the snow on Hoth in The Empire Strikes Back.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
Why do you people keep on ignoring the fact Bane was only beating Kas'im because he memoriesed all his moves to point where he could cancel all of them, and then just use his superior force strenght to beat him down?
That just makes Kas'im even more pitiful.
According to you, Kas'im is this incredible fighter. As such, he should be someone with significant experience in dueling. He should be someone with a vast array of moves and techniques. He should be someone who isn't formulaic with his moves, but rather versatile. Naturally, he should be someone who can outsmart his opponents even if they are familiar with his techniques.
Except, all of that was proven wrong in his fight against Bane. If Bane can recognize all of Kas'im's moves within several weeks of sparring, then that just displays Kas'im's limited scope. Furthermore, if Kas'im was versatile, rather than formulaic, he would have performed variant combinations of his moves to break down Bane's defenses. After all, that's what you would expect from someone considered to be one of the 'greatest' swordsman.
You make out like Bane was weak when even at this stage he could already use force storm and forcw wave, and was able to destroy a temple with TK, and then he had ADDED and MASSIVE advantage of knowing all of kas'im's moves inside out.
As Tempest has said, they were both on Lehon and their Force powers were amplified. Also, the impressiveness of the very feat seems to now be under debate. Furthermore, I've already argued how putting up a Shield outside-of-blazing-fast-combat isn't as impressive as defending TK waves during blazing-fast-combat (Kenobi's stalemate against Anakin's insane raw power).
Secondly, if Kas'im possessed such impressive Force powers, why didn't he kill Bane when Bane landed precariously on the staircase? If Kas'im had such vaunted Force command, his TK should have been powerful enough to have slammed Bane to the ground and prevent him from even having the chance to "cocoon himself in the Force."
Finally, this battle will be a lightsabers-only contest, and both guys will use the Force in this manner.
Also quit acting like our entire argument is Kas'im being best of the era's sith, that is not our argument, it is that he mastered all those forms and tanked a temple destroying attack, so it doesnt matter if his order was weak, as he was the exception and would be elite in any era.
Except, your entire argument is that one subjective passage from Bane's POV, and Kas'im's Force Shield. That's it. Everything else is just you speculating.
Also, KV your bias is showing because you keep on acting like Kas'im has to prove himself to be on Obi-Wan level, and then just dismissing everyones points.
Until you provide new evidence, you have nothing demonstrating Kas'im can contend with Kenobi.
You keep comparing Kas'im to lightsaber instructors who have not mastered all of the 9 forms, or displayed close to his force prowess. Obi-Wan is beaten in skill and in power in this matchup buddy.AND: if you want RW example of high level mastery of everything beating higher level mastery of just one thing, just look at MMA. Skilled wrestler, Jutsuka, and striker will defeat more skilled striker, he will grapplefck him, he will defeat more skilled wrestler, he will submit him, and he will defeat more skilled jitsuka, he will keep the fight standing. Mastery of everything give you greater freedom to dictate how the fight will play out and exploit weaknesses in opponent.
The others have already argued against this.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
There is a reaosn pill is 7-3 and it is because your argument convince noone.
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You realize the poll was like that before I even started seriously arguing in this thread. People have this skewed impression of Kas'im as someone who is the shit (see Raptor's earlier post). Yet, when you actually go back and check him out, you see that he absolutely nothing that can quantify him as being on the level of Obi-Wan beyond speculation and an opinion by an in-universe character.
In fact, recent responses suggest that more people seem to now be saying that Kenobi wins after all.
Nephthys is spot on peoples' biases and fanboyism is really starting to show. No matter how it was doen the temple is absolutely massive and goes very far underground as Nephyths ovserved, to shake them is veyr impressive.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Prove that it was, or admit that you're frantically trying to backpeddle if you can't.
Not how it works bro you is the one trying to compare Kas'im-Knobi to Cin Drallig-Anakin, prove that the same scenario applies please.
You get that impression because it proves you wrong. Feel free to look it up yourself in Wookie or just download it if you doubt me. I've provided you the source.
I do doubt you amd you have not even provided quote, plus wookie is not canon.