Originally posted by RobtardMy speculation is based off Dumbledore's resourcefulness. I didn't telson it was fact as you did. Key difference but mine is based off the character not some fanfic.
Claims someone is speculating, then makes a speculation himself. Good job embarrassing yourself 👆"Dumbledore is a coward". Clowny nonsense like that is the reason no one takes your seriously and just mocks you in here. You're harmless.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My speculation is based off Dumbledore's resourcefulness. I didn't telson it was fact as you did. Key difference but mine is based off the character not some fanfic.
Your speculation is based on your fantasies. Dumbledore not fighting and opting to flee because he couldn't afford to be captured while Voldermort's out doing his thing isn't "speculation", it's the story. Harry needed to be trained, Dumbledore needed to hunt down the Horcruxes. Things that actually happened in the films.
You calling Dumbledore a "coward" in that scene is in fact downplaying, because that's all you have. You can't intelligently show how Voldermort wins, so you downplay the character you want to see lose.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious21. Her opinion based off the films. Films only. She has supreme saying over books not films hence the reason scenes were changed. Director, bro.
1. How am I using the books. I simply said the person you gained your information from wasn't the author that was simply her opinion vs the word of the author. Rowling has supreme control over all Harry Potter and if she says Dumbledore is the greatest than that's the fact.2. No it's not it's true. There is magic that voldemort will never have that Dumbledore has such as love. The most powerful magic of all. This is not speculation this is true. So does this mean your argument falls apart as the information you received was from the book. Since you say the books don't count does that mean that you have killed your own source as that's where she got her information from. Also this isn't speculation. If I say you have powers that I will never have that doesn't mean you are more powerful that just means you have worked In areas that I just haven't or practice a side of magic that I don't. Either way it goes that does not mean he is more powerful than Dumbledore so that leg of yours is gone.
3. JK Rowling is the queen. What she says is the law of Harry Potter. Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard.
2. What feats of love did Dumbledore use ? What is greater than hogwarts shield destruction ? Name a feat. I gave evidence you just say nothing That he did we can quantify.
3. For the books only. Movies are different. Based off books not the same thing. Voldemort reigns supreme in the films.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Your interpretation isn't a fact. Do you know what the word fact means. His own body language doesn't display fear at all.2. Concession accepted.
3. He didn't have a lot of time and wanted to be gone before the others showed up. He changed tactics. That's all. Dumbledore shit his pants for Harry.
Sidious just had to survive and got the better of Yoda. 😂 p
No, Harry resisted him, Voldemort disarmed Harry which means he defeated him. That's a duel, dude.Voldemort's feats, power, and legacy were far greater than Dumbledore. What resigned Dumbledore to death, again ?
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So when you watched the battle the fact that voldemort stopped smiling and at the end his facial expressions and him running away, his face like I can't defeat this guy you don't call that fear. Her I one even says that voldemort feared him. Rowling says this. Voldemort feared him.
2. I don't concede I just don't think that your argument with juggernaut about courage or whoever it is is important as courage doesn't effect their skills in fights like this.
3. Well either way whether you are right or whether we are right Dumbledore could take whatever voldemort threw at him. That's just the facts. This is speculation as yours is backed up by your biased while ours is backed up by logic.
4. Ok so if I'm holding a basketball and someone disarms me of the baskeball that doesn't mean it was a fight. They just took the ball out of my hands. We aren't even playing basketball I'm just holding it and someone just knocks it out of my hands that doesn't mean I was defeated. What does voldemort disarming Harry have to do with anything. Stay on topic.
5. What feats, what legacy, what does voldemort have that Dumbledore can't combat? Answer me that. Um well Severus Snape resigned Dumbledore to death. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Her opinion based off the films. Films only. She has supreme saying over books not films hence the reason scenes were changed. Director, bro.2. What feats of love did Dumbledore use ? What is greater than hogwarts shield destruction ? Name a feat. I gave evidence you just say nothing That he did we can quantify.
3. For the books only. Movies are different. Based off books not the same thing. Voldemort reigns supreme in the films.
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JK Rowling reigns surpreme over all Harry Potter not just the books. If she says that something happened because of so and so the directors follow that. They don't just go off on their own they stay within the guide lines set forth by Rowling. Her Opinions was based off of a quote from the books. Scenes if they are changed are to make them movie applicable however they don't just changed her story in dramatic ways.
2. Love is proven by Rowling directors producers, all of that as the most powerful form of magic. Lily potter, love killed voldemort. So yes it is more powerful than destroying that shield. Dumbledore has his understanding of love, voldemort doesn't and never can and never will.
3. Dumbledore reigns surpreme as the most powerful in movies and books.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He was frustrated not scared. The movies say he did so I don't deny it but he faced him, it's good to fear a peer. It keeps you honest. Voldemort faced him because he's a badass. Voldemort clearly had the upper hand.
So when you watched the battle the fact that voldemort stopped smiling and at the end his facial expressions and him running away, his face like I can't defeat this guy you don't call that fear. Her I one even says that voldemort feared him. Rowling says this. Voldemort feared him.2. I don't concede I just don't think that your argument with juggernaut about courage or whoever it is is important as courage doesn't effect their skills in fights like this.
3. Well either way whether you are right or whether we are right Dumbledore could take whatever voldemort threw at him. That's just the facts. This is speculation as yours is backed up by your biased while ours is backed up by logic.
4. Ok so if I'm holding a basketball and someone disarms me of the baskeball that doesn't mean it was a fight. They just took the ball out of my hands. We aren't even playing basketball I'm just holding it and someone just knocks it out of my hands that doesn't mean I was defeated. What does voldemort disarming Harry have to do with anything. Stay on topic.
5. What feats, what legacy, what does voldemort have that Dumbledore can't combat? Answer me that. Um well Severus Snape resigned Dumbledore to death. 😂
2. I never said it did, Voldemorts skill clearly speaks for itself.
3. Voldemort also took whatever Dumbledore tossed his way. But he dictated the fight unlike Albus. Albus also had the most powerful wand.
4. Harry went to attack Voldemort and he disarmed Harry. That's Voldemort defeated him.
5. Horcrux, his fear throughout the wizarding world, his decimation of the wizarding world, his ruthlessness, and his hogwarts feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was frustrated not scared. The movies say he did so I don't deny it but he faced him, it's good to fear a peer. It keeps you honest. Voldemort faced him because he's a badass. Voldemort clearly had the upper hand.2. I never said it did, Voldemorts skill clearly speaks for itself.
3. Voldemort also took whatever Dumbledore tossed his way. But he dictated the fight unlike Albus. Albus also had the most powerful wand.
4. Harry went to attack Voldemort and he disarmed Harry. That's Voldemort defeated him.
5. Horcrux, his fear throughout the wizarding world, his decimation of the wizarding world, his ruthlessness, and his hogwarts feat.
1. What movie did you watch. No one had the upper hand in that battle. It was balanced.
2. So to does Dumbledores. With Dumbledore having back up from several sources that he is the most powerful while you are giving voldemort a controversial quote.
3. Water spell,voldemort almost died. Expelliarmus, almost was pushed back, ring of fire, basically went back leaving him open. This is better for Dumbledore he was on the defensive so this proves that Dumbledore is the better wizard. Well I mean being on the offensive does not make you the better fighter. You are just on the defensive. If Dumbledore wanted to dictate the fight I have no doubt he could. Well I mean if he was more powerful he would have overcome that like Dumbledore did against Grindlewald.
4. Not really that impressive or important. So which ever way it goes that has nothing to do with this argument.
5. Horcuxes- that does not have any effect on this battle as this is him without it. Anyone can make horcruxes if they are willing to. Grindlewald had that fear yet Dumbledore was is better than him. Ok he is the dark lord ok. You do understand everyone forgot about that in book and movie three right so not really an impressive feat. Anyone who can speak parsletongue could have done that. However voldemort was the heir of slytnerin. Also Dumbledore has better hogwarts feats.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Wrong. Director shot the film and changed his eyes, etc. for the film. She only applies to books. False. Prove it.
JK Rowling reigns surpreme over all Harry Potter not just the books. If she says that something happened because of so and so the directors follow that. They don't just go off on their own they stay within the guide lines set forth by Rowling. Her Opinions was based off of a quote from the books. Scenes if they are changed are to make them movie applicable however they don't just changed her story in dramatic ways.2. Love is proven by Rowling directors producers, all of that as the most powerful form of magic. Lily potter, love killed voldemort. So yes it is more powerful than destroying that shield. Dumbledore has his understanding of love, voldemort doesn't and never can and never will.
3. Dumbledore reigns surpreme as the most powerful in movies and books.
2. No, it isn't more powerful. It provided protection not raw power. Name a feat of Dumbledore's.
3. Movie it is Voldemort.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious21. Voldemort dictated the tempo.
1. What movie did you watch. No one had the upper hand in that battle. It was balanced.2. So to does Dumbledores. With Dumbledore having back up from several sources that he is the most powerful while you are giving voldemort a controversial quote.
3. Water spell,voldemort almost died. Expelliarmus, almost was pushed back, ring of fire, basically went back leaving him open. This is better for Dumbledore he was on the defensive so this proves that Dumbledore is the better wizard. Well I mean being on the offensive does not make you the better fighter. You are just on the defensive. If Dumbledore wanted to dictate the fight I have no doubt he could. Well I mean if he was more powerful he would have overcome that like Dumbledore did against Grindlewald.
4. Not really that impressive or important. So which ever way it goes that has nothing to do with this argument.
5. Horcuxes- that does not have any effect on this battle as this is him without it. Anyone can make horcruxes if they are willing to. Grindlewald had that fear yet Dumbledore was is better than him. Ok he is the dark lord ok. You do understand everyone forgot about that in book and movie three right so not really an impressive feat. Anyone who can speak parsletongue could have done that. However voldemort was the heir of slytnerin. Also Dumbledore has better hogwarts feats.
2. Nothing film related. Mine was.
3. Except he didn't die. The same could be said of Dumbledore surviving. You're showing your hypocrisy.
4. Concession accepted.
5. Acting like the darkest wizard of all time according to Dumbledore feats could have been replicated by anyone is an insult to thinking people. Quit ignoring his skill, extraordinary power, determination, and willpower.
Originally posted by StealthRangerVoldemort didn't achieve the feat by the elder wand but by his extraordinary power. This was directly stated in the film. The wand resisted him and he still pulled it off. Amazing feat of power.
Dumbledore had the Elder Wand and he was it's rightful owner, so he could easily replicate such a feat 👆Voldemort also fled from him because he's afraid of Dumbledore and possessed Harry because he's a *****
Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort didn't achieve the feat by the elder wand but by his extraordinary power.
Prove he could have destroyed it w/o the Elder Wand
This was directly stated in the film. The wand resisted him and he still pulled it off. Amazing feat of power.
Now just imagine what someone who was the rightful owner of the wand could do 👆
Originally posted by StealthRangerThe wand resisted him. He says he does have extraordinary power. This is all states in the film with regards to the wand.
Prove he could have destroyed it w/o the Elder WandNow just imagine what someone who was the rightful owner of the wand could do 👆
Dumbledore doesn't have Voldemorts power. Speculation. Mine is a fact.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The wand resisted him. He says he does have extraordinary power. This is all states in the film with regards to the wand.
Except Dumbledore beats Voldemort in a fight, meaning Dumbledore is more powerful 👆
Dumbledore doesn't have Voldemorts power. Speculation. Mine is a fact.
You're right, Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort 👆
Originally posted by StealthRangerThat is formidabilty not power. It's like saying a boxer wins therefore he is more powerful. No, he just won maybe due to speed and skill. They fight and Voldemort dictated the tempo and looked more impressive so quit fanficing.
Except Dumbledore beats Voldemort in a fight, meaning Dumbledore is more powerful 👆You're right, Dumbledore is more powerful than Voldemort 👆
Based on what feats ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is formidabilty not power. It's like saying a boxer wins therefore he is more powerful. No, he just won maybe due to speed and skill. They fight and Voldemort dictated the tempo and looked more impressive so quit fanficing.
Key difference being, spergchi?
Yeah nothing suggests Dumbledore is much faster than Voldemort
Dumbledore was defending Harry, plus same shite with hero type chars and wanting to cause as little collateral as possible
"Dictated the tempo" yet couldn't gain any ground at all, what a lark 👆
Based on what feats ?
Kicking Voldemorts ass and forcing him to retreat 👆
Originally posted by StealthRangerHarry was behind him. Voldemort looked quicker in their duel.. He was on the offensive much more than Dumbledore. Dumbledore failed to stop the possession. Oh well.
Key difference being, spergchi?Yeah nothing suggests Dumbledore is much faster than Voldemort
Dumbledore was defending Harry, plus same shite with hero type chars and wanting to cause as little collateral as possible
"Dictated the tempo" yet couldn't gain any ground at all, what a lark 👆
Kicking Voldemorts ass and forcing him to retreat 👆
Dumbledore fell on his ass not Tom. Tom left when the Aurors showed up. Watch the film.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. Director shot the film and changed his eyes, etc. for the film. She only applies to books. False. Prove it.2. No, it isn't more powerful. It provided protection not raw power. Name a feat of Dumbledore's.
3. Movie it is Voldemort.
1. Rowling>Director applies to everything. First chapter of the book A chat between Mcgonagall and Snape and you will find the words Voldemort will have powers I will never have. Also Dumbledore says that Harry has a power that lives in your very skin, something that voldmelrt does not have. The director has never said that he was the most powerful only that lady who we have never seen before.
2. Direct quote in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets twice. Duel in Harry Potter of the order of the Phoenix that duel was really voldemort retreating as he had no more tricks up his sleeve to where he could out duel or out match Dumbledore.
3. Your wrong Opinion however it your opinion.