Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by juggerman
There are several threats to Harry he didn't "want to destroy" so again your point is ass. I'd much rather be called Rob than Quan

That's not at all what that means 😂 😂 😂

So Ron and Neville killed Voldemort as per trollchi112. You fail at life son

It was pretty feeble if a child overcame it. Sad sad sad

Truth is nonsense to you

Vold loses once again

What's not what it means ?

They killed parts of him. They didn't kill the main Voldemort body but pieces of his soul. He spread his soul out into fragments called horcurxes. Watch the films.

So you feel the guy who just took on Dumbledore was just trying feeble tactics ? Is that what you believe the filmmakers were trying to display ?

What truth have I denied ?

Based on what ? Make a case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What threats did he try not to destroy that tried killing Harry in his presence or were a threat to his life ? Give me an example. 🙂

What's not what it means ?

They killed parts of him. They didn't kill the main Voldemort body but pieces of his soul. He spread his soul out into fragments called horcurxes. Watch the films.

So you feel the guy who just took on Dumbledore was just trying feeble tactics ? Is that what you believe the filmmakers were trying to display ?

What truth have I denied ?

Based on what ? Make a case.

So all I have to do is give you 1 and you'll cut the shit????? 🙂

You're so lost it's hilarious 😂 😂

If you can claim "Voldemort killed Snape" because a Horcrux killed him than the same Quan logic should be applied to people killing Horcruxes. IOW if a Horcrux kills you, Voldemort kills you and if you kill a Horcrux, you kill Voldemort. Fair is fair bud

His tactic was feeble enough for a kid that sucked at occlumency to best him with it.

You deny all truth

Based on facts. Something you know little about

Originally posted by juggerman
So all I have to do is give you 1 and you'll cut the shit????? 🙂

You're so lost it's hilarious 😂 😂

If you can claim "Voldemort killed Snape" because a Horcrux killed him than the same Quan logic should be applied to people killing Horcruxes. IOW if a Horcrux kills you, Voldemort kills you and if you kill a Horcrux, you kill Voldemort. Fair is fair bud

His tactic was feeble enough for a kid that sucked at occlumency to best him with it.

You deny all truth

Based on facts. Something you know little about

You answer out of order so who knows what the **** you mean at this point.

Voldemort did kill him but it wasn't the same main body with the the wizardry since Naginini did so. Still Voldemort.

Harry resisted because he was everything Voldemort was not. Understand what actually happened. You're always clueless.

Give me an example. You just say worthless shit without any proof.

What facts ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me an example. Can you do so ?

You answer out of order so who knows what the **** you mean at this point.

Voldemort did kill him but it wasn't the same main body with the the wizardry since Naginini did so. Still Voldemort.

Harry resisted because he was everything Voldemort was not. Understand what actually happened. You're always clueless.

Give me an example. You just say worthless shit without any proof.

What facts ?

You didn't answer my question. If I give you one will you cut the shit? Yes or no?

I don't. You are just to dumb to follow along

So Voldemort and his Horcruxes are one and the same. So Ron killed the dark lord as per quantroll

He was his opposite in the beginning of the assult as well. He fought Voldemort off once he started trying

Fuuny coming from you.

All facts

Originally posted by juggerman
My argument was to show that having more didn't make him better. My point stands. You point doesn't.

How does that help anything, Voldemort is still superior to Harry.

Seeing as Harry has defeated Tom multiple times and ended up killing him, your claim seems to be rather biased.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How does that help anything, Voldemort is still superior to Harry.

Ok, you claim Voldemort losing his Horcruxes weakened him right? Well there is no evidence to suggest the made him stronger. Like at all. That's why I brought up the fact that a weakened Harry stalemated him while he had several left.

So if they do not make him more powerful, then the removal of them do not make him less powerful or weaken him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She didn't make all the decisions for the films and is the queen of the books. The films took on a life of their own. I gave differences and movie feats only.

So by your own conclusion dumbledore didn't want or crave power so it makes no sense for him to be the most powerful wizard.

He slashed his hand through the eater bubble thus destabilizing it. I say Voldemort was winning you say Dumbledore but the facts were that Voldemort was on the offensive more and didn't have the elder wand in his favor.

Despite the wand resisting him he had the greatest fest of the films. Undeniable.

It helps my case since he put him on his ass and looked very impressive on screen.

Prove she did. You continue to speculate so prove it. I have a fact and you're trying to poss and moan about it. Stands.

Voldemort for the win.

1. She didn't represent anything. At the end of the day it's up to the desire of the writer and she says dumbledore is better. The movies are based off the books, they don't just make their own thing. Yes there are differences but the end of the day they are based off the book with differences to make it adaptable to the screen. So dumbledore is the better wizard.

2. In his later life he didn't crave power so he didn't search for the deathly hallows like he and grindlewald planned, and he refused to take on the position of
minister for magic and decided to teach young minds. So he neglected power positions and objects with the exception of the elder wand as that was his wand, this is shown by how he gave the invisibility cloak to Harry instead of keeping it thus having all three deathly hallows.

3. Harry was the final tipping point. Him being the offensive and not being able to get through dumbledore says that dumbledore is better and whether he had the best wand or not if voldemlrt was as powerful as you say he would be able to get past that as dumbledore did.

4. Actually it is debatable on the best feat in Harry Potter. Also he had the most powerful wand so anything he does is going to powerful, however even he is seceptable to the power of not possessing his own wand as he had to take it back instantly and the wand broke and he felt the pressure of it so even that shows that he was not as powerful as you want him to be.

5. Um it actually doesn't help your case, if that's the case dumbledore is far superior to Voldmelrt as he was able to push back voldemlrt so avada kedavra to the point Voldmelrt had to change to a fire snake which dumbledore than easily took care of and then shot the fire back, then drowning voldemort, the. Blocking his powerful dark blast, then, turning all the shards of glass into sand, then making Voldmelrt flee their duel. So yes Dumbledore is better than voldemort.

6. So giving you the book, chapter, and page number, and actual quote is speculation. You have given me your own interpretation of the battle instead of actual proof.

Dumbledore is better

Originally posted by juggerman
You didn't answer my question. If I give you one will you cut the shit? Yes or no?

I don't. You are just to dumb to follow along

So Voldemort and his Horcruxes are one and the same. So Ron killed the dark lord as per quantroll

He was his opposite in the beginning of the assult as well. He fought Voldemort off once he started trying

Fuuny coming from you.

All facts

Then explain it. You don't have a clue and won't answer this question.

They aren't one and the same. I already said they don't have the same abilities. Listen to what I say, dummy.

Due to him being the exact opposite, friendship, love those traits forced him out. Voldemort and Harry are opposites for the most part.

Give me an example.

What facts ?

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok, you claim Voldemort losing his Horcruxes weakened him right? Well there is no evidence to suggest the made him stronger. Like at all. That's why I brought up the fact that a weakened Harry stalemated him while he had several left.

So if they do not make him more powerful, then the removal of them do not make him less powerful or weaken him.

Oh well in that case I agree. I never said it made him stronger I just said that Voldmelrt is superior to Harry, which he is. So I get your point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seeing as Harry has defeated Tom multiple times and ended up killing him, your claim seems to be rather biased.

All of their engagements had circumstances behind them.

1. Mothers love
2. Just came back from the dead so not at full strength also didn't Voldmelrt deflect Harry's expelliarmus spell with his bare hand.
3. About to fight until dumbledore stepped in
4. Had a wand that belonged to someone else that wasn't the elder wand
5. Was about to defeat Harry until his last horcrux was killed and thus was weakened.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He chose the way he went out. He didn't choose the dark magic cursing him to a death in a year at most. Voldemort was greater. I didn't say this proves anything about a one on one battle just added this to his legacy.

Finally you are correct about some thing. He chose the way he died yes, so that negates your silly little Snape killed dumbledore and Voldmelrt killed Snape so Voldmelrt is better nonsense. Opinion.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. She didn't represent anything. At the end of the day it's up to the desire of the writer and she says dumbledore is better. The movies are based off the books, they don't just make their own thing. Yes there are differences but the end of the day they are based off the book with differences to make it adaptable to the screen. So dumbledore is the better wizard.

2. In his later life he didn't crave power so he didn't search for the deathly hallows like he and grindlewald planned, and he refused to take on the position of
minister for magic and decided to teach young minds. So he neglected power positions and objects with the exception of the elder wand as that was his wand, this is shown by how he gave the invisibility cloak to Harry instead of keeping it thus having all three deathly hallows.

3. Harry was the final tipping point. Him being the offensive and not being able to get through dumbledore says that dumbledore is better and whether he had the best wand or not if voldemlrt was as powerful as you say he would be able to get past that as dumbledore did.

4. Actually it is debatable on the best feat in Harry Potter. Also he had the most powerful wand so anything he does is going to powerful, however even he is seceptable to the power of not possessing his own wand as he had to take it back instantly and the wand broke and he felt the pressure of it so even that shows that he was not as powerful as you want him to be.

5. Um it actually doesn't help your case, if that's the case dumbledore is far superior to Voldmelrt as he was able to push back voldemlrt so avada kedavra to the point Voldmelrt had to change to a fire snake which dumbledore than easily took care of and then shot the fire back, then drowning voldemort, the. Blocking his powerful dark blast, then, turning all the shards of glass into sand, then making Voldmelrt flee their duel. So yes Dumbledore is better than voldemort.

6. So giving you the book, chapter, and page number, and actual quote is speculation. You have given me your own interpretation of the battle instead of actual proof.

Dumbledore is better

2. So you agree he didn't amass as much power as Voldemort. That's an undeniable fact and lends credence to Voldemort having the greater legacy.

3. Both tried to kill the other. Dumbledore resisted like Voldemort resisted the attacks. The tempo was dictated by Voldemort despite the elder wand being in albus's posesssion.

4. The wand resisted him. That makes the feat outright insane. And unlike Voldemort he had feats without the most powerful wand ever. The wand obeyed Dumbledore and he was unable to best Voldemort. 😉

5. False, many wizards exchanges a stream and then break off to spells. Nah. Voldemort opposed him with the greatest wand ever. Dumbledore was still unable to best him despite this ultra powerful wand.

6. Movie feats only.

Voldemort is superior.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Finally you are correct about some thing. He chose the way he died yes, so that negates your silly little Snape killed dumbledore and Voldmelrt killed Snape so Voldmelrt is better nonsense. Opinion.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
All of their engagements had circumstances behind them.

1. Mothers love
2. Just came back from the dead so not at full strength also didn't Voldmelrt deflect Harry's expelliarmus spell with his bare hand.
3. About to fight until dumbledore stepped in
4. Had a wand that belonged to someone else that wasn't the elder wand
5. Was about to defeat Harry until his last horcrux was killed and thus was weakened.

IOW, you admit that Harry defeated Tom multiple times and ended up killing him. BTW, Tom wasn't about to kill Harry before his last horcrux was destroyed. you really need to stop making excuses for Tommy boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. At the end of the day movie feats only. You are t the authority here and the forum rules make it clear books are inadmissible. Movies change the books whenever they want and this was another change. Not even sure because I didn't read the books. Movie only.

2. So you agree he didn't amass as much power as Voldemort. That's an undeniable fact and lends credence to Voldemort having the greater legacy.

3. Both tried to kill the other. Dumbledore resisted like Voldemort resisted the attacks. The tempo was dictated by Voldemort despite the elder wand being in albus's posesssion.

4. The wand resisted him. That makes the feat outright insane. And unlike Voldemort he had feats without the most powerful wand ever. The wand obeyed Dumbledore and he was unable to best Voldemort. 😉

5. False, many wizards exchanges a stream and then break off to spells. Nah. Voldemort opposed him with the greatest wand ever. Dumbledore was still unable to best him despite this ultra powerful wand.

6. Movie feats only.

Voldemort is superior.

1. Movies based off of books. You don't just change details such as that and they didn't. You change how a seen went down to make movie applicable not change the authors,overall ideas. If that's the case why didn't they change the main character. Why didn't they change the titles. Why didn't they change anything that was big and noticeable like the symbol on Harry's forehead. They change scenes to make them more screen shot pretty. Changing the duel outcome doesn't effect it at all. Rowling made dumbledore the most powerful and the directors followed that.

2. No. Dumbledore learned from past mistakes and has lived a longer life than Tom and thus has plenty to counter whatever Tom has done. Dumbledore by far has the greater legacy.

3. Well like you said dumbledore was on the defensive. Actually everything dumbledore shot at Voldmelrt was about to work. Expelliarmus vs Avada Kedavra, avada kedavra was about to over power Tom. If it wasn't he would have just kept it until it hit but no dumbledore was moving forward and getting more aggressive. The fire snake dumbledore took care of that. Water spell hit and would have worked if Harry wouldn't have gotten in the way. Undeniable its stated in the duels description.

4. 1. Anything having to do with the elder wand won't help Voldmelrt in this duel as he has his own wand. 2. The power was from the most powerful wand in existence so it's power is the wands itself as well and then the wand resisted and then broke and he felt this and actually knew he couldn't work with this. This is proven by how he retreated his hand after using the spell and feeling how it was failing him, conversation with Snape, how his powers were dififferent when using his wand and using the elder wand. So different levels of power.

5. Yea and he was going to lose to. So yes dumbledore is the greater wizard with the greater legacy, feats, and skills to take down Voldmelrt.

6. So this means your special features thing is cancelled as its statement was based off the books.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you admit that Harry defeated Tom multiple times and ended up killing him. BTW, Tom wasn't about to kill Harry before his last horcrux was destroyed. you really need to stop making excuses for Tommy boy.

He killed him because he was weakened. Notice before the horcrux was destroyed Voldmelrt was about to win. So stop blocking out what's right in front of you. Re watch the battle avada kedavra clearly was gaining ground and about to either overpower Harry and disarm him or just flat out kill him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just do it. Out never accepted my stips earlier so just do it.

Then explain it. You don't have a clue and won't answer this question.

They aren't one and the same. I already said they don't have the same abilities. Listen to what I say, dummy.

Due to him being the exact opposite, friendship, love those traits forced him out. Voldemort and Harry are opposites for the most part.

Give me an example.

What facts ?

You seem to think admitted what you'll do before being presented evidence is acceptable so put your money where your mouth is.

I really don't even think you know what we were talking about in this line 😂

You claim they are since you foolishly claimed Voldemort killed Snape and then had to back peddle to cover your ignorance

Again they were just as much opposites at the start. Harry easily bested Voldemort once he started trying.

Of truth? Look back at everything I've posted. For the opposite, look at your posts

See above

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said that determined it. Dumbledore was an idiot with the dark magic Voldemort set as a trap. Undeniable. Voldemort was greater based off feats, portrayal, legacy, skills.

Ok here is voldemorts legacy. To sum it up this is his legacy.

Lord Voldemort was the most powerful DARK WIZARD of all time. The leader of the death eaters who led them against the muggle borns and ravaged/conquered the wizarding world twice and is known to be the most powerful dark power known to man.

Dumbledores legacy

Albus dumbledore is known to be the most powerful wizard of all time. He was the leader of the first and second order of the Phoenix and is known to be the only wizard voldemort ever feared. He is known for defeating the 2nd greatest dark wizard feller the grindlewald and being the wizarding worlds greatest protector.

Dumbledores legacy is clearly better.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He killed him because he was weakened. Notice before the horcrux was destroyed Voldmelrt was about to win. So stop blocking out what's right in front of you. Re watch the battle avada kedavra clearly was gaining ground and about to either overpower Harry and disarm him or just flat out kill him.

The movie never stated that Tom was weakened, it's just you making excuses.