Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, I'm ignoring your obvious speculation.
It isn't speculation. It's fact. When voldemort killed Harry in the forest he was down for a while, this is fact. When hufflepuffs cup was destroyed he was in some extreme pain, when nagini was killed he had to let go of the spell because he was in pain and weakened. So you are ignoring fact.
Also if you rewatch the movie part 2. Nagini can also feel when the horcruxes are killed and when she did she curled up in pain.
This shows you that
1. Voldmelrt was clearly the better than Harry
2. That with the destruction of a horcrux it causes him pain and weakens him
Originally posted by EmperorSidious21. Movie feats only. Yes, you can. The author intended his eyes robe snake like. Were they changed for the film ? Yes. That's one example. Sorry, but you're breaking the rules and being a fanboy. Prove based on the films he was the most powerful.
1. Movies based off of books. You don't just change details such as that and they didn't. You change how a seen went down to make movie applicable not change the authors,overall ideas. If that's the case why didn't they change the main character. Why didn't they change the titles. Why didn't they change anything that was big and noticeable like the symbol on Harry's forehead. They change scenes to make them more screen shot pretty. Changing the duel outcome doesn't effect it at all. Rowling made dumbledore the most powerful and the directors followed that.2. No. Dumbledore learned from past mistakes and has lived a longer life than Tom and thus has plenty to counter whatever Tom has done. Dumbledore by far has the greater legacy.
3. Well like you said dumbledore was on the defensive. Actually everything dumbledore shot at Voldmelrt was about to work. Expelliarmus vs Avada Kedavra, avada kedavra was about to over power Tom. If it wasn't he would have just kept it until it hit but no dumbledore was moving forward and getting more aggressive. The fire snake dumbledore took care of that. Water spell hit and would have worked if Harry wouldn't have gotten in the way. Undeniable its stated in the duels description.
4. 1. Anything having to do with the elder wand won't help Voldmelrt in this duel as he has his own wand. 2. The power was from the most powerful wand in existence so it's power is the wands itself as well and then the wand resisted and then broke and he felt this and actually knew he couldn't work with this. This is proven by how he retreated his hand after using the spell and feeling how it was failing him, conversation with Snape, how his powers were dififferent when using his wand and using the elder wand. So different levels of power.
5. Yea and he was going to lose to. So yes dumbledore is the greater wizard with the greater legacy, feats, and skills to take down Voldmelrt.
6. So this means your special features thing is cancelled as its statement was based off the books.
2. Living longer doesn't mean you had a greater legacy. The entire wizarding world generally feared Voldemort. Not the case with Albus. Albus power wise did not achieve or will go down in history in the same vein as Voldemort. Not even close. What did Dumbledore do that was so stand out anyway ?
3. By the same token I can say Voldemort made sure it did not. Just like Dumbledore reversed the fire so did Tom pull away from avada kedavra at a key moment. Your double standards are nauseating. False. Voldemort gestured out of the water bubble and broke free right after. You pretending Albus is some idiot who foolishly allowed him to escape is sickening.
4. So according to you Dumbledore needs the best wand ever to take on Voldemort. Haha. Voldemort explained how his power was extraordinary.he clearly said the wand resists me meaning he doesn't have the full cooperation of the wand. Amazing feat.
5. Speculation. Nah. He was unable to protect Harry. He also was unable to save himself from the dark magic Voldemort set up for a dummy.
6. You need to prove it was based off the books. At no point did anyone say that. Still stands.
Originally posted by juggermanI provided evidence from the films. You lie.
You seem to think admitted what you'll do before being presented evidence is acceptable so put your money where your mouth is.I really don't even think you know what we were talking about in this line 😂
You claim they are since you foolishly claimed Voldemort killed Snape and then had to back peddle to cover your ignorance
Again they were just as much opposites at the start. Harry easily bested Voldemort once he started trying.
Of truth? Look back at everything I've posted. For the opposite, look at your posts
See above
I asked you two explain it and you can't. How embarrassing.
Voldemort did kill him. You asked for an explanation and I gave one. You're an idiot. Voldemort killed him.
No, he didn't easily. You don't need help and inspiration if something is easy to overcome.
So no real specificity just more nonsense from you.
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You haven't proven Dumbledore is the greatest wizard in the films. You also listed Voldemort in Dumbledore's list of accomplishments.
Ok here is voldemorts legacy. To sum it up this is his legacy.Lord Voldemort was the most powerful DARK WIZARD of all time. The leader of the death eaters who led them against the muggle borns and ravaged/conquered the wizarding world twice and is known to be the most powerful dark power known to man.
Dumbledores legacy
Albus dumbledore is known to be the most powerful wizard of all time. He was the leader of the first and second order of the Phoenix and is known to be the only wizard voldemort ever feared. He is known for defeating the 2nd greatest dark wizard feller the grindlewald and being the wizarding worlds greatest protector.
Dumbledores legacy is clearly better.
Entire wizarding world feared Voldemort. Voldmort created the most horcruxes. Quit relying on the books and ignoring the films.
Originally posted by Silent Master
None of that proves that losing the last horcrux lowered Tom's power level.
Think about it since you want to ignore the obvious. Voldemort vs Harry last battle. It's fact that Voldmelrt was winning. So why when they kill the horcrux voldemort shows pain and fear and weakness and why all of a sudden would he start losing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't proven Dumbledore is the greatest wizard in the films. You also listed Voldemort in Dumbledore's list of accomplishments.Entire wizarding world feared Voldemort. Voldmort created the most horcruxes. Quit relying on the books and ignoring the films.
Well you can't talk. You haven't remotely come close to proving Voldmelrt is better while I have. You have denied dumbledore the respect he deserves. That was a summary of what the wizarding world thought of them once they died in a honest and unbiased opinion.
The entire wizarding world loved dumbledore for the majority of the time and thought of him as their greatest protector being the only wizard voldemort ever feared. Making the most horcruxes, I don't believe the wizarding world knew about that, notice dumbledore didn't acknowledge it until the 6th movie but he knew that this was a more dangerous magic in the 2nd movie. Notice only bellatrix knew about the horcruxes meaning only his most trusted death eaters know. The last one who snitched ended up dead. I'm not relying on the book, how am I relying on the book.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Think about it since you want to ignore the obvious. Voldemort vs Harry last battle. It's fact that Voldmelrt was winning. So why when they kill the horcrux voldemort shows pain and fear and weakness and why all of a sudden would he start losing.
Your opinion aside, Harry killed Tom.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm aware of your opinion, but that doesn't change the facts...Harry killed Tom.
Not my opinion it's the facts. So if I fight you and then I severely injure you. You are going to be fighting at the same level of power as you were before? No. You are going to be weaker, tired, your punches are going to be weaker, slower, you aren't moving as fast. So really horcruxes being destroyed does weaken the user. It causes him great pain.
Harry disarmed voldemort, he didn't kill him. He died due to his soul being so weak. He had pushed his soul to its limits separating it 7 times. With that it left a broken, dieng soul that was saved only because of the horcruxes. When they are destroyed he is in immense pain as seen in the movies when a horcrux is destroyed. With that his power would decrease and then he died due to his soul being split to many times.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ummm. When Voldermort died at the hands of teenager Harry, the Voldermort Horcrux inside of Harry had already been destroyed, by Voldermort no less.Harry did indeed defeat Voldermort, it was a simple 'Good conquers Evil' trope.
So what do we have: Voldermort not being smart enough to know that infant baby Harry was protected and ended up pwning his own ass. Voldermort not being smart enough to know that trying to kill Harry would destroy one of his own Horcruxs. Voldermort not being smart enough in knowing that the Elder Wand he attacked Harry with was actually linked to Harry. Clearly, strategy isn't one of Voldermort's strengths.
But Harry didn't defeat Voldemort. He just stood there and let wand mechanics do the rest. There was plot device magic afoot. Take away horcruxes and super special secret wands and put Harry and Voldemort alone in a room with two random wands and Harry will be slaughtered like a b*tch.
Here let us create a scenario: you have a gun and want to shoot me. I know for a fact the gun is faulty and will back fire if you use it and I even repeatedly tell you this. You use it anyways..the gun explodes and you die. Would you say I killed you?
Also it's even said the magic protecting Harry from Voldemort was "old magic". He's a powerful wizard, he's not omniscient. Consider nobody really even knew how Harry survived, it's not like this was common knowledge Voldemort forgot about. Even the person who did the magic didn't even really do the magic on purpose.
Don't get me wrong Voldemort does a lot of stupid things. I wouldn't exactly say his failing to detect some ancient form of protection magic that wasn't even cast on purpose..would make him stupid. Just unlucky. He had no way of knowing. Compare that to his final death..when he had plenty of ways of knowing whether or not his current course of action was a good idea and just kind of ignored it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Harry disarmed voldemort, he didn't kill him. He died due to his soul being so weak. He had pushed his soul to its limits separating it 7 times. With that it left a broken, dieng soul that was saved only because of the horcruxes. When they are destroyed he is in immense pain as seen in the movies when a horcrux is destroyed. With that his power would decrease and then he died due to his soul being split to many times.
But Harry flat out says that Voldemort seems more dangerous then ever due to the soul wounds.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then post the clip where it's stated.
Or shown. It's like if you eat glitter and you see it makes you sick but no one says it makes you sick yet you see it constantly yet you say it's not proven until someone says it. If you see it constantly than it must be true. If there are no circumstances to off balance the tow factors.
Originally posted by Surtur
But Harry flat out says that Voldemort seems more dangerous then ever due to the soul wounds.
He feels more dangerous because he's desperate. However he was dieng he was weaker and than Harry says he's wounded and thus feels more dangerous. Seeing as Voldmelrt wanted so much and Harry and had the manpower he would feel more dangerous.