Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet vs Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Galan007

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RAW HORSEPOWER BABY!!!!

Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor was a beast!!!!!!

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Multiversal...eh?

A lone [b]FLAWED CCU has an omniversal feat thats greater than that... [/B]

Originally posted by leonidas
lol you give quan waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much credit. most around here see him for what he is, and ignore his posts and opinions.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

1st off your premise that Starlin said those things is garbage as
the writers technically say everything in comics (even the obvious errors)...
So whats your stance:
a) The writers say everything and thus anything any character says
in a comicbook is law (despite how wrong and/or contradictory it might be)...
b) That the characters themselves "speak" with their personal
storehouse of knowledge, intellect, experiences, ect and are subject to error...
Which is it?
Either answer you give, I will eat you alive argument wise given
what you stated in your above post; pick your poison...

You're better off at nit-picking semantics concerning my post
than actually proving your point.

Also, by your reply you're way off regarding the notion of my post.

You know what sucks is that there are at least 5 people over at comicvine who take Mr Masters scans and sentences and post like it's their own original idea. This guy named Hyper_God is the most recent. Sucks to debate anyone there anymore about cosmics because it's just like talking to 5 of this guy ^

So master, you no longer believe a CCU can rival the IG? Personally I've always thought it was a bull statement from mephisto. And the abstracts confirm it.

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic

You know what sucks is that there are at least 5 people over at
comicvine who take Mr Masters scans and sentences and post like it's
their own original idea. This guy named Hyper_God is the most recent.

Sucks to debate anyone there anymore about cosmics
because it's just like talking to 5 of this guy ^

Originally posted by The Merchant

So master, you no longer believe a CCU can rival the IG?

Personally I've always thought it was a bull statement from mephisto.
And the abstracts confirm it.

The IG makes you a greater "God."

The "Levels of Infinity" understanding comes into play here.

Imo, the "BeyonderS" are the next best thing beneath the IG, and then the CCUs.

Anti Monitor, especially now since the IG's were retconned to universal artifacts and the Council of Reeds had them

Originally posted by sCOURGE_0

Anti Monitor,
especially now since the IG's were retconned to universal artifacts
and the Council of Reeds had them

Especially since the 616 IG never appeared in it or was even referenced.

They only dealt with alternate IGs friend, which have always been "universal."

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let's battlezone, teach. Maybe there you can attempt your greatest fear the caps lock.

I've called your bluff on that before flirt

Though I barely remember what we were discussing, surely about Kang ermm

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Sundipped
As pertains combat feats, the CCU's might not have one similar to the scan you posted of Nebula facing the comic heirarchy, but a FLAWED CCU was compressing the ENTIRE Omniverse!!

Lets let that sink in for a moment...the entire dam Omniverse was being compressed by a Lone FLAWED CCU...that feat trumps ANYTHING performed by the 616 IG...anything.

Mr.M addressed this and Nemesis crossed my mind but I wasn't sure if the Ultraverse was cannon or not. As he stated, certain combinations of gems were creating universes and Nemesis' disbursement rewrote the multiverse.
When the gems are together, they are a force of creation as stated by Nemesis.

^^
"A device of Unparalleled Creative Force."
"A creature capable of Building Universes".

As you can see, Nemesis even created a "brief sketch" of a working universe containing elements of universes it had experienced and fastfowarded through evolution. It only took minutes.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
We cant disregard Mephisto's words concerning these things as a result; all signs point to him being spot on as pertains the issue of the peak theoretical power of a CCU...

As a matter of fact, I retract my statement about Mephisto because he actually said this:

^ "A omnipotent being that was all there was throughout infinity".
So all signs point to him being "spot on" about the nature of Nemesis ....which would blow ANY amount of CCUs out the water.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But I didn't bring up how the same Incomplete IG effortlessly owns instantaneous Multiversal eraser/creator (UN) with a thought.

I did way back on page 2.

Originally posted by 1416Q5521
Originally posted by Mr.Master
Omniversal cancellation/reinstallation > Omniversal compression/decompression.

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Originally posted by Mr Master

Imo, the CCU can make you a "God" ... no doubt.

The IG makes you a greater "God."

The "Levels of Infinity" understanding comes into play here.

Imo, the "BeyonderS" are the next best thing beneath the IG, and then the CCUs.

I definitely agree that IG is superior to a CCU. But wouldn't the Beyonders be above or equal to the IG? I remember there was that one scan where Eternity was lifted up by a Beyonder like he was a small toy. I got the impression that a Beyonder would be outside the scope of an Infinity Gauntlet's influence.

A bit of a tangent, but where would you place any of the big bang creators next to the IG? I've always wondered when MU was recreated each time if all the abstracts (including LT) were destroyed and recreated as well like how the Infinity Being created them all in the first place, or if the abstracts weren't affected by the likes of Sise-Neg, Alien Entity, etc.

@Sundipped

Lets utilize a "liitle" common sense here; if there is something equal to or greater than yourself, can you be omnipotent?

Once you honestly answer that question, your argument about the power level of the IG ends with no further discussion...

@Quanchi

When you declined my battlezone challenge of Kubik vs Thanos, I knew you were a coward and decided then never to attempt to BZ you again; it would be a waste of my time...

Also, there are powers beyond the IG, so its not at all "inexhaustable." There is no doubt, it is very finite and makes its weilder master of nothing...

@Mr Master

You attempted to claim the Goddess and Surfers words as Starlins owns; your argument fails on that premise alone...especially when you really think about the implications of what that means if you choose either of the outcomes that stem from that kind of "defense."

You did right by not answering the question; either answer would have allowed me to annihilate your argument to kingdomcome...

^^ ... Still dodging I see. Stick to comics friend and skip the
politically correct sounding grammar lecture which has no place here.

Yea, Starlin's words! ... And? ... And?

What senseless babble is this? No offense, but again, either stick to the debate,
or be ignored cause I'm smelling a bait I'm not falling for.

Originally posted by CortSether

I definitely agree that IG is superior to a CCU. But wouldn't the
Beyonders be above or equal to the IG? I remember there was that
one scan where Eternity was lifted up by a Beyonder like he was a
small toy. I got the impression that a Beyonder would be outside the
scope of an Infinity Gauntlet's influence.

Post-retcon Beyonder is a fraction of the BeyonderS' power & he remakes all creation.

A fraction of the IG's power remakes all creation.

Logically this tells us BeyonderS gotta be up there with full IG, and I agree.
Stories though imo, warrant the IG a higher status.

"Levels of Infinity" copout for ya. 😛

Although, I can say right now, after giving it more thought,
that the BeyonderS are in a no man's land concerning hierarchies.

I have my reasons but I'll say the BeyonderS' realm as a whole = the IG.
(this opinion is based on logic/info ... not facts)

Originally posted by CortSether

A bit of a tangent, but where would you place any of the big bang creators next to the IG? I've always wondered when MU was
recreated each time if all the abstracts (including LT) were
destroyed and recreated as well like how the Infinity Being created
them all in the first place, or if the abstracts weren't affected by the
likes of Sise-Neg, Alien Entity, etc.

This includes Sise-Neg, & the Alien Entity.
This also goes for THOTI of course but even Entropy/Genis. (although that was the "cosmic cycle" playing out so I'm not sure if it counts)

616 Infinity Gems are completely indestructible:

This means when all reality has been altered, destroyed or erased,
the Gems were never affected.

Remember good friend, the Gems are not of this omniverse either,
they're from the previous reality ... they are simply the gateway to
the Infinity Being's power.

hmm...at a glance, i thought AM was the more powerful of the two but the arguments from both side are pretty even. I suppose the ultimately question would be is AM > LT. LT did away with the holder of the IG like nothing lol.

I dont believe that the LT took the IG away like nothing. It just said give me the IG or the universe will be screwed. The LT is alot of bark and no bite.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Sundipped

Lets utilize a "liitle" common sense here; if there is something equal to or greater than yourself, can you be omnipotent?

Once you [b]honestly answer that question, your argument about the power level of the IG ends with no further discussion... [/B]

Funny how you're so enthusiastic to point out Mephistos words spoken about CCUs but not when he's speaking on behalf of the IB. 😬

The sum total of all the gems is what the Infinity Being and Nemesis represent. To go along with stating that this was all that existed throughout infinity, he also said that this force is what birthed all that exists today.

Now if you were going to designate something as being omnipotent, then would this not be it? If not, then that's cutting it real close.

The only real difference between the Infinity Being and Nemesis is the fact that the gems were sentient in Nemesis' case and that was disrupting the overall focus of it's being.

Despite this, the creative/destructive force would be the same.

So then whats going to happen now with the Infinity Gems coming out in the new avengers comic?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Quanchi

When you declined my battlezone challenge of Kubik vs Thanos, I knew you were a coward and decided then never to attempt to BZ you again; it would be a waste of my time...

Also, there are powers beyond the IG, so its not at all "inexhaustable." There is no doubt, it is very finite and makes its weilder master of nothing...

@Mr Master

You attempted to claim the Goddess and Surfers words as Starlins owns; your argument fails on that premise alone...especially when you really think about the implications of what that means if you choose either of the outcomes that stem from that kind of "defense."

You did right by not answering the question; either answer would have allowed me to annihilate your argument to kingdomcome...

Thanos manipulates his soul into being his slave. Tell me how he'd defend himself against this tactic. If you can't you concede.

Originally posted by Bentley
I've called your bluff on that before flirt

Though I barely remember what we were discussing, surely about Kang ermm

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
You know what sucks is that there are at least 5 people over at comicvine who take Mr Masters scans and sentences and post like it's their own original idea. This guy named Hyper_God is the most recent. Sucks to debate anyone there anymore about cosmics because it's just like talking to 5 of this guy ^

Comicvine is for 12 year olds with negative IQ anyways. There are either Marvel-hating DC fantards who'll go to any lengths to discredit feats from Marvel characters and pretend that the most absolute high-end feats of DC chars is the norm(CitizenBane being a fine example of that), or idiot trolls like Hyper_God that ruin every debate they take part in.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Funny how you're so enthusiastic to point out Mephistos words spoken about CCUs but not when he's speaking on behalf of the IB. 😬

The sum total of all the gems is what the Infinity Being and Nemesis represent. To go along with stating that this was all that existed throughout infinity, he also said that this force is what birthed all that exists today.

Now if you were going to designate something as being omnipotent, then would this not be it? If not, then that's cutting it real close.

The only real difference between the Infinity Being and Nemesis is the fact that the gems were sentient in Nemesis' case and that was disrupting the overall focus of it's being.

Despite this, the creative/destructive force would be the same.

The LT stands above the gems and CCU's theoretically equal them; this fact renders that entire story (especially the part about giving birth to all of reality; the LT stands above the gems, so how did they give birth to something that is greater than it was?) line bullocks...