Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet vs Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor...

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If I read through this thread correctly, you were the one who brought up this issue about the scale of Nemesis' feat in the first place.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
But no need to take any issues with this post. Afterall, it's really not a big deal for us to have a different opinion than yours.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

The term "all realities will be destroyed" is used in this scan. What that means is anyone's guess.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13994542/Gems2.jpg.html

In conjunction with the fact that multiple realities were SHOWN
getting destroyed or (re)created on-panel, this amounts as far greater
proof of a multiversal feat instead of a single statement from a one-
shot which is contradicted by multiple sources from the main series itself.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

But the term "all realities" is indeed used in that incident. From one
of the scans which mentions "2 dimensions", here's additional
terminology("from universe to near universe, reality to distant
reality"😉 of multiple realities being affected by the Gems' power:

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13994553/N_Waves3.jpg.html

You're so fixated upon the usage of "two universes/dimensions"
that you seem to ignore the other scan(which you've obviously
seen before) that I showed in my previous posts, and essentially
label it as a biversal feat of creative/destructive power.

Once more: I am merely pointing out that out of these 2 incidences
, the one which can be presented as a greater proof of a
multiversal feat is the one in which more than one reality is
included and shown on-panel, and doesn't have several other
sources from associated comics contradicting it. Lucifer's feat
doesn't fulfill such criteria, while Nemesis' feat does, so that's that.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

And then the action moved on from those 2 realities to other
universes till the very end of time....

Multiple realities. Destroyed/recreated multiple times. The threat of
the destruction of all realities if that girl(Amber Hunt or whatever her
name was) didn't succeed in her quest. Therefore a multiversal feat.

Yea,
I'm noticing the problem the stick to two scans that are Two Separate feats,
and likewise seemingly ignoring all the Other Feats.

Nemesis and/or Gems' Feats: (aside from multi-universal annihilation across multi-Multiversal scales) ...

Remember, Ultraverse and 616 are withIN Two separate MultiverseS.

1) Nemesis broke down the Walls between All RealitieS after obliterating 616 and the Ultraverse,
the entire Malibu Multiverse of infinite Alternate UniverseS
and the entire Prime Multiverse of infinite Alternate UniverseS merged!
(this is why they were able to all rush to the Same spot where Nemesis was)

2) Nemesis erased EVERY version of Alternate UltraForce and Avenger there is, in one swoop.
(deliberately allowing only 616 Avengers and Prime Ultras alive)

3) When Nemesis was split, & the Gems went separate, the "remaining energy" from the 6 Gems,
like waves crashed on the Continuum creating UniverseS back to back on top of the Ultraverse.
(note: that's not the IG's power, not even an Incomplete IG's power ...
that's just the remaining energy AFTER the Gems went off on their own) ... wow! ...
So to be clear .. A fraction of the 616 IG's power ("some left over energy"😉 to be exact,
was creating UniverseS on top of each other.

4) Amber Hunt (who had connected with the Ego Gem) using the Time and Reality Gem
was able to undue everything above, (by reverting Time and remaking Reality)
subsequently re-created everything back to normal, (includes erasing those created UniverseS)
and released the Waves as harmless energy ...
but she was unable to stop the First Wave again.
It was stated that the "repercussions" of the First Wave could only be guessed.

5) In a follow up tie-in we learn of the "repercussions" as a scene is
depicted where Juggs was banished too in those days which was the Crimson Cosmos,
a place withIN its own space between realities.
We see said Wave (fractionalized IG power) crash into this place and we read:
"This World between Worlds ...
a Wave of energy unknown suddenly sweeps across him
from Everywhere and Nowhere at once ...
... through All That Is or Ever Was ... As Reality ends."

6) Remember Amber Hunt absorbed and released the remaining Nemesis Waves as harmless energy.
Evidently, she still had a sliver of what she released.
Well, with said sliver, Amber was able to shatter then remake at-least Two MultiverseS
(housing 616 and the other housing Ultraverse) This is how it reads:
"Across Two Dimensions, shattering the hidden SpaceS between ...
Ultras & mutants buffeted back & forth ,,,
from Universe to near Universe ... Reality to distant Reality...
From long before the beginning of Time to far beyond the End."

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All On Panel! ... If anyone is interested in truth with proof!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=574570&pagenumber=12

Originally posted by Galan007
This is comics, not the Da Vinci Code (and lets be honest: comics are geared for kids, not scholars.) 😛

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You mean the Da Vinci Code wasn't intended for kids?

Dont insult comics. Not all comics are for kids. In fact I dont think that a guy having the crap beaten out of him like in Captain Marvel 5th series and then having a grave droped on him is for kids.

Originally posted by Galan007
I brought up my disagreement that she preformed a multi-multiversal feat, yes. My reasoning: see all of my former posts. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

Exactly. I don't know why my opinion upsets you so much..? Relax. 🙂

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I read it. I argued against it. Been there, done that.

We're still friends, you know. 😄

Originally posted by Galan007
This is comics, not the Da Vinci Code (and lets be honest: comics are geared for kids, not scholars.) 😛

The Da Vinci Code is like the Loeb-Rulk of literature.

It was aimed at kids.

Bumprar

Originally posted by curryman
The Da Vinci Code is like the Loeb-Rulk of literature.

AM wins. The same guy who tanked the big bang and the powers of every powerful being including Mxy, who on his own is just sooo powerful

^^ Scans of AM doing anything to Mxy

Classic IG is the actual power of the Infinity Being.
(original creator of all things, including the Big Bang)

Even the retcon IG makes one "All Powerful" withIN their universe.
Basically, no matter what you can do outside of said universe,
withIN said universe ... you lose.
(the scope of influence was limited but the power remains)

That's the Marvel perspective.
This is why cross-company battles of this scale never work imo.

I doubt it was Mxy per se, but the AM did stalemate a Spectre who was being amped by the power of a 5D-Imp, along with classic Fate and a bunch of superpowerful beings.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Scans of AM doing anything to Mxy

Classic IG is the actual power of the Infinity Being.
(original creator of all things, including the Big Bang)

Even the retcon IG makes one "All Powerful" withIN their universe.
Basically, no matter what you can do outside of said universe,
withIN said universe ... you lose.
(the scope of influence was limited but the power remains)

That's the Marvel perspective.
This is why cross-company battles of this scale never work imo.

^ That wasn't Mxy, it was Thunderbolt.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That wasn't Mxy, it was Thunderbolt.

Mxy destroyed the entire race of 5-D imps with the snap of his finger. They aren't all created equal.

Regardless, Thunderbolt's best feat was defeating Lkz-- a 5D denizen who beat/imprisoned Spectre w/o effort. So he('bolt) is still immensely powerful.

edit, just realized that galan007 already posted about him stalemating Lkz.
however it was never mentioned that he imprisoned the spectre without effort, it was never shown on panel how he did it. Still immensely impressive though

Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy destroyed the entire race of 5-D imps with the snap of his finger. They aren't all created equal.

Regardless, Thunderbolt's best feat was defeating Lkz-- a 5D denizen who beat/imprisoned Spectre w/o effort. So he('bolt) is still immensely powerful.

Is the ultimator more powerful than Mxy big Galan?

Ultimator was certainly intended to be more powerful than Mxy. However, she was never real.

@Mr.M 👆

To add to what you stated about Nemesis, it was only the soul, power, mind, and space gems that were warping and creating realities. The setinent reality gem explains to Amber that it and the time gem were, for the most part, rendered powerless by the other gems due to disrupting the focus of Nemesis which enabled BK to separate (not attack Nemesis directly), the gems from her crown.

^ Contrary to the actions of those four gems, the nearly powerless reality gem alone still had enough juice to protect Amber from the effects of the waves crashing upon the continuum.

With all of the gems working together on the gauntlet properly as they should, AM would find himself in deep shit against a serious Thanos.