Originally posted by Q99If it wasn't for the fact he uses punctuation and grammar, I would think he was just Logic trying to insult us 😛
Hah, yea, it's always funny when people think trying to make fun of people for enjoying themselves is a stinging insult.
Though I agree. It is quite funny.
And now, we break to dancing bananas:
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Originally posted by PwnedYeah some of the remaining Matukai apprentices were allowed to joined Luke skywalker's jedi praxeum, since the Matukai Adepts deemed it less elitist.
Later, with the birth of the New Jedi Order, some of the remaining Matukai chose to join the new Jedi Praxeum organized by Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, deeming it less strict than the previous incarnation of the Jedi Order,[1] and those that did distinguished themselves with a facial tattoo.Since the Jedi Order was large in number, they felt secure enough to allow other Force-using organizations to exist independently, provided that the other Force-using groups did not fall to the dark side
Thus repulsed, Bodo Baas realized the Matukai had no interest in allying with the Jedi, but recommended to his superiors that they be allowed to exist autonomously, as most of their members were individuals who would not have been picked for Jedi training in the first place.
All of this contradicts what you have said. Oh, by the way, it's all Copy+Pasted from Wookieepedia.
So that's what I am talking about. The very article you want to use is being brought up to show you your own lies. Oh, and Typhoons was the only one who found Jedi training to be, "elitist and ineffectual"
They were too weak to be Jedi, yet you say they are better? XD
I find your lack of honesty quite humorous. So quit with your bullshit and get off the boards or be a normal human being that can realize when their lies have been caught.
Oh, and it wasn't a, "large group of pirates"
It was, "several pirates" Meaning around 4. A, "master of physical capabilities" and his 2 apprentices, or in other words, 3 Force sensitives (as weak as they were) beat 4 non-Force sensitives.Bane led his squad through the New Sith Wars almsot unscathed, and sniped a dozen people within seconds while blind. You don't trumpet him, do you? Thought so.
Just because none were actually straight out mentioned to have not fallen does NOT mean that none did. That is assuming, and that makes you look like an ass.
Also, how can you remove him? Simple, you can't. You are not a moderator. So instead of making obviously empty threats, go and learn what you want to say before you ignorantly spout it out.
And yes, you are a liar.
The Matukai weren't weak even in the littlest sense. They were able to Build up force sensitivity in individuals who weren't force sensitive, using the methods of meditative martial arts & exercise.
No Matukai fell to the Dark Side since its founding in 4,000 BBY. If any did fall, they would have referenced to some of their members falling to the Dark side throughout their history, like the Zeison Sha did.
This lie of yours just costed you something. Mendor Typhoons wasn't the only one who found Jedi training elitist and ineffectual. Mendor Typhoons said in specific that, Matukai Warriors (Matukai Adepts) found Jedi training elitist (Strict) and ineffectual (Ineffective).
The Matukai Adepts that were around during Luke Skywalker's time deemed his praxeum less strict then Bodo Baas's, nothing changed on their views concerning ineffective Jedi training. So thus Matukai Adepts let some of their remaining apprentices join skywalker's jedi praxeum, and the apprentices that did join distinguished themself's with a facial tattoo. Your lies just lost you this debate.
Its absurd how people these days hang on every word.
Zeison Sha are the Most powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)
Matukai are the 2nd Most powerful Order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)
Im done with you Jedi fanboy(:
Originally posted by Q99Nope you've been raving on about Jedi this & Jedi that. Jedi are firmly in the middle possessing no Specializations or weaknesses. (Your words of course, that you contradicted later on) You are a egotistical hypocritical Jedi fan boy/girl
Any skilled group of force-sensitive warriors should be able to handle a large group of pirates anyway.Jedi are known to occasionally handle large groups of Sith or other force users.
Nope, back in the day the Matukai wouldn't let *any* of their apprentices learn from the Jedi because they viewed them as elitist.
Once the Jedi no longer were elitist, they have no reason for adepts to stay away either.
If the Matukai adepts didn't like the Jedi, why the heck would they let their students join? That's common sense.
Also, don't forget they continued to train in the Matukai way even after becoming Jedi, they didn't cease being Matukai. So you'd still have fully trained members at the end of the day.
It's up to 40? I got mine for like, 12 ^^ And actually a couple unrelated to this conversation too, like the New Jedi Order one. I like having physical books and this reminded me they exist to pick up (though I am disappointed the KotoR is, like, crazy expensive). And excuse me for not finding being called a SW geek much of an insult on a SW forum.
Also, have you noticed that I haven't been raving about the Jedi? That I, in fact, have mostly just been noting they have similar ideas? I just haven't been agreeing with you, that every order you see is 'obviously superior'. Because, well, nothing says they're superior! You may try and justify to yourself that the only reason someone'd not agree with you is being a fangirl or boy, but that's just an excuse you're making for us looking at the facts and finding out you're wrong.
You are a liar.
You've been lying a lot, and whether or not you like that the heros guide proves my point, it does prove my point, as does, like Pwned mentioned, the wookiepedia article you mentioned.
Your points are regularly contradicted even before the material you yourself post. Why is it so hard to read the sources instead of making stuff up and insisting your stuff is right and not the actual sources that determines what's right?
You unknowingly proved the Zeison Sha to be the most powerful light side order. The Matukai are the 2nd most powerful Light Side Order, since they continually get stronger physically, using their Strengthening refreshment technique.
Debate closed👇
Originally posted by Hacker
You just admitted to me you have no life. "I'm having fun 🙂". If you call this fun... You live a sad life my friend.
Originally posted by tadpol
ok im back you call me a sockpuppet got me well you now so i had to make a new account now i am tadpol
Something tells me these guys are more socks of SSL.
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicHmmm, so you contradict yourself there. Grats.
Yeah some of the remaining Matukai apprentices were allowed to joined Luke skywalker's jedi praxeum, since the Matukai Adepts deemed it less elitist.The Matukai weren't weak even in the littlest sense. They were able to Build up force sensitivity in individuals who weren't force sensitive, using the methods of meditative martial arts & exercise.
No Matukai fell to the Dark Side since its founding in 4,000 BBY. If any did fall, they would have referenced to some of their members falling to the Dark side throughout their history, like the Zeison Sha did.
This lie of yours just costed you something. Mendor Typhoons wasn't the only one who found Jedi training elitist and ineffectual. Mendor Typhoons said in specific that, Matukai Warriors (Matukai Adepts) found Jedi training elitist (Strict) and ineffectual (Ineffective).
The Matukai Adepts that were around during Luke Skywalker's time deemed his praxeum less strict then Bodo Baas's, nothing changed on their views concerning ineffective Jedi training. So thus Matukai Adepts let some of their remaining apprentices join skywalker's jedi praxeum, and the apprentices that did join distinguished themself's with a facial tattoo. Your lies just lost you this debate.
Its absurd how people these days hang on every word.
Zeison Sha are the Most powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)
Matukai are the 2nd Most powerful Order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)Im done with you Jedi fanboy(:
Give me the quotes where others say that.
Except they were too weak to be Jedi, so they made a technique to enhance Force connection beyond its natural limit, yeah?
Just because it does not specifically say that some fell does NOT mean that none did. Records are lost. Hell, the PT makes a big deal of, "The Lost Twenty" the 20 Masters who left the Order. Since then? The number is at least 100. Meaning that shit happens.
You have no evidence.
You have no evidence.
Everything is merely assumptions
Now tell me, how does me copy+pasting from Wookieepedia mean I am lying? Hell, YOU are the one who has been caught with at least 6 lies now. So why don't you shut your little mouth and get off the boards, hmm? Maybe your mother would like to hear you rant and rave in an illogical manner 😄
The Matukai Adepts that were around during Luke Skywalker's time deemed his praxeum less strict then Bodo Baas's, nothing changed on their views concerning ineffective Jedi training. So thus Matukai Adepts let some of their remaining apprentices join skywalker's jedi praxeum, and the apprentices that did join distinguished themself's with a facial tattoo. Your lies just lost you this debate.
Nothing says it was only apprentices, that was a lie of yours just there. The book in fact says that their force tradition was preserved. Heck, if they could do better, why even let apprentices join? That in itself is an indication that they consider the Jedi worthy teachers- sending an Adept to another school doesn't mean too much, but sending apprentices show you trust them to do the job right.
And the Jedi training was sufficient to defeat the strongest Inquisitors where the Matukai fell. So we have direct evidence of strength beyond quotes in any case.
Another lie on your side, another false-accusation of lying shot down, and the evidence still says what it says and doesn't agree with you.
Its absurd how people these days hang on every word.
General tip: If you're complaining about people insisting on using what the words actually say, then you may be on the wrong side of the fact in the debate
Zeison Sha are the Most powerful order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)
The ones where nothing says they're stronger and who survived the Inquisition primarily by avoiding it? Where their game stats don't point them as stronger in the slightest than the Jedi (which their training is in fact based on), merely more specialized?
Matukai are the 2nd Most powerful Order of Light Side Force Sensitives. (The evidence proves it)
The one where nothing ever says it and even they themselves changed their mind on the Jedi when it became less elitist? Where even their own description says they have rivals in martial arts?
Saying 'the evidence says it' doesn't change that the evidence- even evidence you yourself post!- says anything but.
Im done with you Jedi fanboy(:
You keep saying you're done but you keep trying to push your made-up information that's not in any source.
If you're done, you can cease. Your points are repeatedly shot down by the facts, but that doesn't change that you can stop any time by stopping arguing about it.
Originally posted by PwnedAre you stupid? i wasn't talking about your Copy&Pasted sentences.
Hmmm, so you contradict yourself there. Grats.Give me the quotes where others say that.
Except they were too weak to be Jedi, so they made a technique to enhance Force connection beyond its natural limit, yeah?
Just because it does not specifically say that some fell does NOT mean that none did. Records are lost. Hell, the PT makes a big deal of, "The Lost Twenty" the 20 Masters who left the Order. Since then? The number is at least 100. Meaning that shit happens.
You have no evidence.
You have no evidence.
Everything is merely assumptionsNow tell me, how does me copy+pasting from Wookieepedia mean I am lying? Hell, YOU are the one who has been caught with at least 6 lies now. So why don't you shut your little mouth and get off the boards, hmm? Maybe your mother would like to hear you rant and rave in an illogical manner 😄
The lie was "Mendor typhoons was the only one who found jedi training elitist and ineffectual". That was a lie due to this.
Typhoons indicated to the Jedi that the Matukai warriors found Jedi training elitist and ineffectual.
Matukai Warriors A.K.A Matukai Adepts found Jedi training both strict and ineffective.
Later Luke Skywalker created a Jedi praxeum, one that the Matukai adepts viewed as less strict. Nothing changed on their view of Jedi training being less ineffective.
No Matukai have fell to the Dark Side since its founding in 4,000 BBY.
The Reason is the Matukai code.
Through exercise, discover the Force.
Through the Force, discover tranquility.
Through tranquility, discover vitality.
The only word that explains you is, J A C K A S S😄
Eh, go ahead and try to make personal attacks, it won't work. I don't care.
Show me proof that none have fallen. Until then, you can not assume that none have.
Give me a link where the Matukai code is. Nothing about it on the article. Or a page number.
I concede the point that it was, "warriors" I merely misread the sentence. Having re-read it, it is such.
Seriously though, you have done nothing but lie after your points were shot down. Now take Q99's (NERD!) advice and stop.
Originally posted by Q99Its no lie. The Matukai Adepts saw Luke Skywalker's Jedi praxeum as less elitist compared to the previous one lead by Bodo Baas. Nothing changed on their views of ineffective Jedi training. So thus the Matukai adepts allowed their apprentices to make the free choice of learning newer ways of the force, as well as their ancient training methods. And those results lead to several of their apprentices falling to the Yuuzhan Vong in the ensuing war.
Nothing says it was only apprentices, that was a lie of yours just there. The book in fact says that their force tradition was preserved. Heck, if they could do better, why even let apprentices join? That in itself is an indication that they consider the Jedi worthy teachers- sending an Adept to another school doesn't mean too much, but sending apprentices show you trust them to do the job right.And the Jedi training was sufficient to defeat the strongest Inquisitors where the Matukai fell. So we have direct evidence of strength beyond quotes in any case.
Another lie on your side, another false-accusation of lying shot down, and the evidence still says what it says and doesn't agree with you.
General tip: If you're complaining about people insisting on using what the words actually say, then you may be on the wrong side of the fact in the debate
The ones where nothing says they're stronger and who survived the Inquisition primarily by avoiding it? Where their game stats don't point them as stronger in the slightest than the Jedi (which their training is in fact based on), merely more specialized?
The one where nothing ever says it and even they themselves changed their mind on the Jedi when it became less elitist? Where even their own description says they have rivals in martial arts?
Saying 'the evidence says it' doesn't change that the evidence- even evidence you yourself post!- says anything but.
You keep saying you're done but you keep trying to push your made-up information that's not in any source.
If you're done, you can cease. Your points are repeatedly shot down by the facts, but that doesn't change that you can stop any time by stopping arguing about it.
The biggest flaw in your arguments are not realizing the Matukai don't have a main role in the storyline. Kyle Katarn didn't defeat all the inquisitors, but rather the majority of them. The inquisitors he didn't kill went into hiding, waiting for the right moment to strike. And even then Kyle Katarn fought the imperial inquisitors using Might vs Might. Katarn never was in the situation of being unknowingly hunted by individuals you can't detect.
You can say "Jedi can do this and Jedi can do that". But the Fact of the matter is the Matukai are the most powerful light side order physically. They were counterbalanced by being very short in numbers.
If the Matukai were just as big as the Jedi order in terms of numbers, there would be virtually no point in joining the Jedi order anymore. Because Joining the Matukai order will give the individual 6 benefits the jedi don't have.
The 1st Benefit is individuals wearing Matukai apprentice robes, which empowers the individual's physical body in terms of Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution by 1%, in attempt to help the wearer reach a physical & spiritual balance.
The 2nd benefit is graduating to the rank of Matukai Adept. Once a Individual reaches this Rank, his body is physically empowered in terms of strength, dexterity and constitution by 2%.
The 3rd Benefit is, after Reaching the Rank of Matukai Adept, individuals develop a natural immunity to illnesses & Poisons of all kinds, even of they are of the deadliest manufactured.
The 4th benefit is, after graduating the the rank of a Matukai Adept, the individual is capable of doing complex martial sequences such as, patterned kicks, patterned punches, and dodges with a astonishing body maneuverability speed described as a "whirlwind" blur of limbs and movement.
(Depending on his experience that is)
The 5th Benefit is, after reaching the rank of Matukai Adept, the individual is able to refresh his spirit with a tireless energy that not only gives immediate replenishment, but also permanent augmentation in the individual's Strength and power , giving him feats of strength and power exceeding what his body was originally capable of after every refreshment.
The 6th Benefit is, after reaching the Rank of Matukai Adept, The User is able to wield his Wan-shen at the amazing speed of a virtual whirlwind, which is the same speed as a moving helicopter propeller.
Joining the Matukai order and reaching the rank of Matukai Adept factually exemplifies, that you are a master of controlling your own body in terms of body maneuverability, and weapon maneuverability. Inward and Outward for short. The Matukai Adepts were even capable of wielding and using polearm weapons as one handed weapons, which is something the Jedi order never developed as a proficiency that was either saw commonly or rarely.
You do realize what i mean by 2nd most powerful light side order right? if you don't then let me state this as verification to prevent your many confusions and delusions.
What i mean by the Matukai being the 2nd most powerful order of light side force sensitives is exactly how it reads. (the 2nd most powerful order of LIGHT SIDE force sensitives)
The celestial ones are a gray order of force sensitves both intellectual beyond most, and tremendously powerful. Even though their feats were not replicated, The Aing Tii would wipe the floor with the ones if needed.
The Jedi are the 3rd most powerful Light Side order, due to many reasons. But they are trash in comparison to the Matukai physically 😉.
Originally posted by PwnedCan you show me proof that some Matukai fell to the Dark side throughout the history of their order? if not then cease with your opinions.
Eh, go ahead and try to make personal attacks, it won't work. I don't care.Show me proof that none have fallen. Until then, you can not assume that none have.
Give me a link where the Matukai code is. Nothing about it on the article. Or a page number.
I concede the point that it was, "warriors" I merely misread the sentence. Having re-read it, it is such.
Seriously though, you have done nothing but lie after your points were shot down. Now take Q99's (NERD!) advice and stop.
I'v never lied not once since i been here. I told the truth. A truth some won't believe. Q99 can't say a dam thing, he contradicted 10 times throught these supposed arguments, which makes his opinions that of a minority's. Q99 is not a nerd. He's a geek. Big difference.
You made the preposterous claim that none of them have fallen. It's up to you to back that up.
And yes, you have lied. Q99 has checked the sources YOU referenced, and you have contradicted the Wookiee at points.
Oh, and you can't use mechanics for an RPG/Game in order to back these up -.-
Your whole post in reply to Q99's is utter bullshit.
The reason they are not the 2nd most powerful? Because they were too weak to be Jedi. They were not going to be picked, so the Jedi did not care what they did. The sources explicitly say this. Not to mention that if they were the second most powerful, theyw ould not have been released in a random sourcebook. There would have been a novel about them. Same with the Zeison Sha. They are both random organizations made to give the universe a bit of depth, they are not that important. There's a reason the Jedi rose to the top and stayed there with the Republic; they were the most powerful and could produce the best range of Force-users. That makes them much more powerful, since versatility>specialization. Sure, they are outclassed in some areas where other organizations focus on those, but Random Jedi A can beat Random Zeison Sha Adept B, or Matukai Adept B.
Therefore your entire argument is invalid.
Nope you've been raving on about Jedi this & Jedi that. Jedi are firmly in the middle possessing no Specializations or weaknesses. (Your words of course, that you contradicted later on)
Nope, I said the Jedi as a whole are generalist, with individual members have different specializations and weaknesses.
You are a egotistical hypocritical Jedi fan boy/girl
Nope. And how is noting the Jedi don't specialize in a single branch of power 'egotistical' or 'hypocritical'? The Jedi really do have a wide variety of force techniques, and they're not the only ones. The Jensaarai, the Imperial Knights, and the Witches of Dathomir are more non-specialists around.
The two factions you've chosen to focus on both are specifically specialists in one area. If you're comparing specialists in a single area, to a much larger order that doesn't specialize, of course you're going to see more variety. And, sometimes, you're going to see individuals that specialize or are otherwise very good in the same areas they are, because the Jedi do not avoid these areas like you assume, and we've got many cases of Jedi demonstrating martial arts and TK.
In each cases, you've made the assumption that, "Ah ha! They are specialist, therefore they must be overall more powerful, and the Jedi must suck in this area!". And it's simply an assumption.
You unknowingly proved the Zeison Sha to be the most powerful light side order.
Hah, I knowingly provided quotes that showed they weren't. Heck, not even they think they were the best, they were actively worried about groups like the Imperial Inquisition.
Their defense wasn't as good as you claimed, their dealing with imperial occupation was never described as easy, their force-bubbles are something Jedi have demonstrated too, etc..
Nothing to this day says they're stronger.
It's just an assumption with no answered burden of proof.
The Matukai are the 2nd most powerful Light Side Order, since they continually get stronger physically, using their Strengthening refreshment technique.
Except.... the Jedi do physical training too (said in the Matukai article!), and they also do a buncha other stuff!
Including, sometimes, high-level martial arts just like the Matukai, as given with numerous examples.
And, including, in later eras, Matukai Jedi.
The Matukai certainly are at the top in endurance and martial arts... however at the same time, they do not have the Jedi's force attacks and many of the other things which are also part of total power.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
I'v never lied not once since i been here. I told the truth. A truth some won't believe. Q99 can't say a dam thing, he contradicted 10 times throught these supposed arguments, which makes his opinions that of a minority's. Q99 is not a nerd. He's a geek. Big difference.
Geeks are generally considered higher in the social hierarchy than nerds... and neither are considered bad nowadays. They lost all bite years and years ago.
And you asserted I was contradicted 10 times, but then I showed sources indicating that no, your assertions were wrong, the sources said that I wasn't contradicted and your stuff was incorrect. Often explicitly, directly-contradicted-by-direct-quotes incorrect.
If you're shown a source that says something is wrong, then you say it's right even knowing that, it's a lie. If you say that something happened, and then no source says it happened, it's a lie. If you say someone else's claim is wrong even after a direct source supports it and show it's right, it's a lie.
Your arguments are full of all types of these lies. All of your insisted contradictions are things that have been shot down by the facts in the sources.
You've not only lied a lot, but you've been caught in these lies.
You are a bad liar, Star Wars Logic. In two senses, both in the sense that you lie a lot, and that your lies are easily caught.
Originally posted by PwnedYeah i did back it up with my words, which stands as evidence.
You made the preposterous claim that none of them have fallen. It's up to you to back that up.And yes, you have lied. Q99 has checked the sources YOU referenced, and you have contradicted the Wookiee at points.
Oh, and you can't use mechanics for an RPG/Game in order to back these up -.-
Your whole post in reply to Q99's is utter bullshit.
The reason they are not the 2nd most powerful? Because they were too weak to be Jedi. They were not going to be picked, so the Jedi did not care what they did. The sources explicitly say this. Not to mention that if they were the second most powerful, theyw ould not have been released in a random sourcebook. There would have been a novel about them. Same with the Zeison Sha. They are both random organizations made to give the universe a bit of depth, they are not that important. There's a reason the Jedi rose to the top and stayed there with the Republic; they were the most powerful and could produce the best range of Force-users. That makes them much more powerful, since versatility>specialization. Sure, they are outclassed in some areas where other organizations focus on those, but Random Jedi A can beat Random Zeison Sha Adept B, or Matukai Adept B.
Therefore your entire argument is invalid.
You keep saying Matukai adepts were too weak to be jedi, this reveal contradiction,
the Jedi Council sought an alliance with another Force sect, the Matukai. Upon learning that a Matukai named Mendor Typhoons had defeated a pirate gang near the world of Ord Radama, Baas and the others arranged for a meeting in orbit of Ord Radama.
Why would Bodo Baas attempt to bring the Matukai into the jedi's fold and train them, if he knew were too weak to be jedi in the first place 🙂?
Answer, Bodo wouldn't have attempted to convert the Matukai into the order if he knew they were too weak to be jedi. If he did attempt to convert matukai members too weak for jedi training, that would have defeated the purpose for his reasons of alliance. Most of the Matukai's individuals (Matukai apprentices) were too old and wouldn't have been picked for jedi training in the first place.
I never contradicted Wookieepedia. I just used different words with the same meanings.
You have to understand no source books concerning the Matukai and Zeison Sha will be released anytime soon. If any Matukai & Zeison Sha story books were released, that would cause the Jedi order's collapse.
It doesn't matter what sources Q99 has gone through. Q99 needs word for word based evidence described by sources in order to get verification concerning something controversial. Since what i said isn't word for word in his eyes, he deemed it lies. Due to the fact he has a inability to decrypt word based definitions. In short, Q99 has the perception of a 7th grader.
Oh you just directly contradicted yourself and your friend Q99 by saying "Oh, and you can't use mechanics for a RPG/Game in order to back these up" (Even through Kotor 2 stands as evidence, while the hero's guide stands as the basics of what both orders can do) I guess you really are stupid 😎.
In other words everything you have said here is utter jedi fanboyism.
Originally posted by Q99Nope you said later on "The Jedi are specialist in all areas" which is contradicted by your post to KylarWhite on the 1st page of this thread, and also in this reply of yours to me. I guess you contradicted yourself 12 times throughout these little disagreements of yours🙂.
Nope, I said the Jedi as a whole are generalist, with individual members have different specializations and weaknesses.Nope. And how is noting the Jedi don't specialize in a single branch of power 'egotistical' or 'hypocritical'? The Jedi really do have a wide variety of force techniques, and they're not the only ones. The Jensaarai, the Imperial Knights, and the Witches of Dathomir are more non-specialists around.
The two factions you've chosen to focus on both are specifically specialists in one area. If you're comparing specialists in a single area, to a much larger order that doesn't specialize, of course you're going to see more variety. And, sometimes, you're going to see individuals that specialize or are otherwise very good in the same areas they are, because the Jedi do not avoid these areas like you assume, and we've got many cases of Jedi demonstrating martial arts and TK.
In each cases, you've made the assumption that, "Ah ha! They are specialist, therefore they must be overall more powerful, and the Jedi must suck in this area!". And it's simply an assumption.
Hah, I knowingly provided quotes that showed they weren't. Heck, not even they think they were the best, they were actively worried about groups like the Imperial Inquisition.
Their defense wasn't as good as you claimed, their dealing with imperial occupation was never described as easy, their force-bubbles are something Jedi have demonstrated too, etc..
Nothing to this day says they're stronger.
It's just an assumption with no answered burden of proof.
Except.... the Jedi do physical training too (said in the Matukai article!), and they also do a buncha other stuff!
Including, sometimes, high-level martial arts just like the Matukai, as given with numerous examples.
And, including, in later eras, Matukai Jedi.
The Matukai certainly are at the top in endurance and martial arts... however at the same time, they do not have the Jedi's force attacks and many of the other things which are also part of total power.
I said the Matukai are the most powerful physically compared to all other light side orders. Not the most powerful in all areas.
I guess you still don't understand what the first post on this thread means.
Matukai philosophy differed from that of the Jedi Order in that the Jedi saw physical exercise and meditation as separate. Which means the Jedi Order have never viewed and used physical exercise and meditation as a combination, but rather they viewed both as separate from each other. DING DING DING DING DING 💃.
I guess that ends that confusion 🙂.
Originally posted by Q99Seems like the actual definition of Geek contradicts you.
Geeks are generally considered higher in the social hierarchy than nerds... and neither are considered bad nowadays. They lost all bite years and years ago.
geek
1.An unfashionable or socially inept person
2.A person with an eccentric devotion to a particular interest: "a computer geek".
😆 lying to yourself I SEE🙂.
Axel- I can do multiple things!
Nope you said later on "The Jedi are specialist in all areas" which is contradicted by your post to KylarWhite on the 1st page of this thread, and also in this reply of yours to me.
...?
You can't win arguments by lying about what the other person says. Also, this forum doesn't allow edits past 15 minutes, meaning that it's provable what was said by each side. The record of what I said is actually there, just a few clicks away. Trying to say I said something different than I said simply doesn't work.
This is just another sad lie of yours.
I said the Matukai are the most powerful physically compared to all other light side orders. Not the most powerful in all areas.
You said they were the 2nd most powerful overall in the thread title.
Which, is false.
You've also said it's suicide for a Jedi or Imperial Inquisitor to take them head on.
Which, is also false.
Now, if you want to say, "they're the most power purely in physical ability," sure, I don't disagree with that, they're directly stated to be among the best, other people can reach the level but they're top tier. There's a lot that force users have beyond physical power, though, so being the most powerful physically do not make then overall more powerful than other orders.
Matukai philosophy differed from that of the Jedi Order in that the Jedi saw physical exercise and meditation as separate. Which means the Jedi Order have never viewed and used physical exercise and meditation as a combination, but rather they viewed both as separate from each other.
Which, in turn, does not actually mean that all Jedi are bad at it. Thame was, but Jedi like Luminara and Mace Windu have extremely impressive physical feats, and there are other martial arts like Teräs Käsi that also make one extremely powerful physically, and some Jedi learn these.
SWL, just a reminder: There an exact list of the Matukai and Zeison Sha's abilities. I have an exact list of the Matukai and Zeison Sha's abilities.
I have posted precisely which powers they have that are unique to them (namely, in the Matukai's case, poison-immunity, body hardening, and other abilities good at surviving harsh environments, not speed beyond the Jedi. In the Zeison Sha's case, they have a weaker version of force shield so that lower-rank members can defend themselves before getting the full version [which is the exact same as the Jedi one], no chance of a ZS warrior failing at normal TK [so where a rookie Jedi can fail, a ZS won't. However, an experienced Jedi won't either], and the ability for a master to use small objects quickly flicked with TK to block projectiles [which is something the Jedi don't have period, but also, with their lightsabers, don't need]). Those are the only powers they have that the Jedi do not have access to.
It's not biased to say someone's not stronger when you have a precise list of their abilities... and they have some kinda-neat tricks but aren't stronger.