Matukai, The 2nd Most Powerful Lightside Force organization

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Is no one else fascinated by this guy? He's so zealous with his lies and fabrications that it's impossible that he doesn't believe it all himself. Like his ability to differentiate his fantasies and wishes from canonical fact was removed long ago, and all that's left is a emerging teenage ego desperate to prove that the countless hours he's spent establishing this shit in his mind is valuable and true to someone else.

It's kinda cute, actually.

Indeed!

And note how self-contradictory his arguments are!

'The Zeison Sha are the most powerful force using organization because of their skill in telekinesis, and force power > physical power' (they're merely said to be stronger than most Jedi, and what about other force powers? And melee skills? In which the Jedi are better. Also one of the key force powers he focuses on with them is their ability to make a shield with the force... which multiple Jedi who develop strong TK skills of their own have done on various occasions, just as strongly, but it doesn't count... because he doesn't want it to!)

'The Matukai are the second most powerful force using organization because of their incredible physical skills, which lets them do stuff like move like whirlwinds.' (What happened to force power > physical skills? And Jedi have been said to move like whirlwinds too, which he's read and quoted multiple times but it isn't the same .... because he doesn't want it to be!)

So he's got two organizations, one of which he argues is better than Jedi because Force > physical, and the other of which he argues is better than the Jedi because Physical > force.

Neither of which have some of the Jedi's other powers like, say, battle meditation, mind tricks, or the highly developed precog/foresight.

Kinda surprised he's yet to argue that the Baran Do sages aren't the third most powerful force using organization because mind abilities > TK and physical power ^^

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That you got these guys to keep paying attention to you for 8 pages is pretty remarkable. Usually we just ignore morons here. Keep up the good work.

Originally posted by Q99
Indeed!

And note how self-contradictory his arguments are!

'The Zeison Sha are the most powerful force using organization because of their skill in telekinesis, and force power > physical power' (they're merely said to be stronger than most Jedi, and what about other force powers? And melee skills? In which the Jedi are better. Also one of the key force powers he focuses on with them is their ability to make a shield with the force... which multiple Jedi who develop strong TK skills of their own have done on various occasions, just as strongly, but it doesn't count... because he doesn't want it to!)

'The Matukai are the second most powerful force using organization because of their incredible physical skills, which lets them do stuff like move like whirlwinds.' (What happened to force power > physical skills? And Jedi have been said to move like whirlwinds too, which he's read and quoted multiple times but it isn't the same .... because he doesn't want it to be!)

So he's got two organizations, one of which he argues is better than Jedi because Force > physical, and the other of which he argues is better than the Jedi because Physical > force.

Neither of which have some of the Jedi's other powers like, say, battle meditation, mind tricks, or the highly developed precog/foresight.

Kinda surprised he's yet to argue that the Baran Do sages aren't the third most powerful force using organization because mind abilities > TK and physical power ^^

The Baran Do are sages that use the Force to amplify their senses, how does that even come close to being something considered the most powerful? it doesn't. It just proves you have a corrupted thought process, one that is both self contradiction, and well is deceitful.

Note how Captain J A C K A S S (Q99) contradicted himself 13 tmes throughout all of his disagreements, and yet he's trying to point out false contradiction points in the direction of the accused. It just proves he goes against what he says too much. Wait i don't even think that's a Dude, its Gender says unspecified, so that means............ 😆

contradicted himself 13 tmes throughout all of his disagreements,

"Hah, you've contradicted yourself because of something I said you said, but cannot actually produce!" is not exactly the most compelling of arguments. Especially when you're trying to argue to me that I said things I didn't.

This is a pretty classic juvenile method. I point out your contradictions, with quotes. You try and respond in kind, but you don't have the sources or quotes, you just mimic the act of pointing out contradictions without being able to do so.

You can't just say someone has made contradictions without being able to prove them. You've even tried putting words in my mouth before only for me to, y'know, go back to my actual posts and demonstrate that it wasn't what I actually said. It says a lot you can't actually provide any quotes to back it up, even though all quotes in previous pages are right there to check and re-post if one wanted to.

Nope. The Zeison Sha are the most powerful in using the Mind as a weapon,

Nope, nothing says this. Their focus is on TK, not just "the mind," their training is based on old Jedi training, the Jedi focus more on the mind than they do, and I have a list of their actual abilities and what their offensive and defensive powers really are.

Seriously SWL, when are you going to learn stuff you made up doesn't count to anyone but you?

Originally posted by Q99
"Hah, you've contradicted yourself because of something I said you said, but cannot actually produce!" is not exactly the most compelling of arguments. Especially when you're trying to argue to me that I said things I didn't.

This is a pretty classic juvenile method. I point out your contradictions, with quotes. You try and respond in kind, but you don't have the sources or quotes, you just mimic the act of pointing out contradictions without being able to do so.

You can't just say someone has made contradictions without being able to prove them. You've even tried putting words in my mouth before only for me to, y'know, go back to my actual posts and demonstrate that it wasn't what I actually said. It says a lot you can't actually provide any quotes to back it up, even though all quotes in previous pages are right there to check and re-post if one wanted to.

Nope, nothing says this. Their focus is on TK, not just "the mind," their training is based on old Jedi training, the Jedi focus more on the mind than they do, and I have a list of their actual abilities and what their offensive and defensive powers really are.

Seriously SWL, when are you going to learn stuff you made up doesn't count to anyone but you?

I don't need to pull up all 13 of your self contradicting quotes that are on 3 different threads, you can find those 🙂

That hero's guide has a basic force powers list on all force traditions, prestige and otherwise in a board game xD.

Pretty much im talking to a block headed self contradicting delinquent. 😄

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
You can find all your contradictions in, The sith who posed the greatest threat thread, The Most powerful order of Light Side force sensitives thread, and Matukai, the 2nd Most powerful Light Side Force organization.

I don't need to pull up all 13 of your self contradicting quotes that are on 3 different threads, you can find those 🙂

That hero's guide has a basic force powers list on all force traditions, prestige and otherwise in a board game xD.

Pretty much im talking to a block headed self contradicting delinquent. 😄

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
You can find all your contradictions in, The sith who posed the greatest threat thread, The Most powerful order of Light Side force sensitives thread, and Matukai, the 2nd Most powerful Light Side Force organization.

So you can name all the big threads we're in, but cannot name any contradictions specifically.

See, this is why I said you were mimicing- you're copying my habit of numbering lies, but while I pointed out the specific lies and the evidence that made them lies, you just vaguely assert that there's a buncha contradictions hoping it'll still. And, it doesn't ^^

I don't need to pull up all 13 of your self contradicting quotes that are on 3 different threads, you can find those 🙂

Ironically, you've yet to be able to produce one.

That hero's guide has a basic force powers list on all force traditions, prestige and otherwise in a board game xD.

Hero's guide isn't for a board game, and no, it has the full history and so on of the Matukai, Zeison, Sha, and Baran Do, as well as a lot of other information, it's not just a list.

It's pretty funny you're trying to assert what is and isn't in a book that I have and you don't.

Originally posted by Q99
So you can name all the big threads we're in, but cannot name any contradictions specifically.

See, this is why I said you were mimicing- you're copying my habit of numbering lies, but while I pointed out the specific lies and the evidence that made them lies, you just vaguely assert that there's a buncha contradictions hoping it'll still. And, it doesn't ^^

Ironically, you've yet to be able to produce one.

Hero's guide isn't for a board game, and no, it has the full history and so on of the Matukai, Zeison, Sha, and Baran Do, as well as a lot of other information, it's not just a list.

It's pretty funny you're trying to assert what is and isn't in a book that I have and you don't.

The Star Wars roleplaying game hero's guide is a board game, its 39,99$ on Amazon New. The Guide book just shows you how to use the pieces of the board.

Heck my friend tried to get me into that roleplaying board game, not my style.

Someone's been caught in a lie xD

No, if you want to make a claim you gotta have proof to back it up. You know, like we have. Every time.

So scurry off, little liar. We could certainly do better without you.

Originally posted by Pwned
No, if you want to make a claim you gotta have proof to back it up. You know, like we have. Every time.

So scurry off, little liar. We could certainly do better without you.

I backed up everything i said with evidence. Heck that's why your friend Q99 couldn't reply to either of these threads. Not to mention it yesterday, it took her 10 hours to find something to disagree with me about.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TOO?

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TOO?

I backed up everything i said with evidence.

Nope, you backed up your claims with empty assertions that you count as a source, which is a lie.

Heck that's why your friend Q99 couldn't reply to either of these threads.

Pretty sure I've responded to all those threads dozens and dozens of times, and even when you post new stuff it's just the same old stuff that still no source has ever said.

You need proof to back stuff up, and you haven't done so. That's not going to change, period.

Not to mention it yesterday, it took her 10 hours to find something to disagree with me about.

SWL... perhaps you haven't noticed, but it seems very likely we're in a different time zone, or at the least schedules? There's this thing called 'sleep'.

And seriously, it's a message board, not a chat room. The cool thing about a message board is people can respond hours, days later and it's no big thing. The messages stay around.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TOO?

I backed up everything i said with evidence. Heck that's why your friend Q99 couldn't reply to either of these threads. Not to mention it yesterday, it took her 10 hours to find something to disagree with me about.

Guys, it's been how long now? If the kid's too dumb to get it, he never will.

But it's a great source for lulz. And time passing.

Originally posted by Q99
Nope, you backed up your claims with empty assertions that you count as a source, which is a lie.

Pretty sure I've responded to all those threads dozens and dozens of times, and even when you post new stuff it's just the same old stuff that still no source has ever said.

You need proof to back stuff up, and you haven't done so. That's not going to change, period.

SWL... perhaps you haven't noticed, but it seems very likely we're in a different time zone, or at the least schedules? There's this thing called 'sleep'.

And seriously, it's a message board, not a chat room. The cool thing about a message board is people can respond hours, days later and it's no big thing. The messages stay around.

Perhaps you're lying to yourself again. Because on the day i said facts you couldn't disagree with, you took 10 hours to reply back. And yet you came back to the very same forum i was on more then twice every 35 minutes, in attempt to find something to contradict me with.

So cut the crap. You weren't sleeping, but the fact you have to lie about it says alot about your character. Condescending, deceitful, and hypocritical. G.T.F.O 🙂

Originally posted by Pwned
A little liar who has not backed up a single thing they have said with a legitimate source, merely their own assumptions and conjectures. <3

You and the rest of the self contradicting delinquents here are in denial, nothing more nothing less 😄.

Logic obviously does not understand the internet.

Nor does he understand proof. Only claims and suppositions.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Oh my legitimate source is Wookieepedia, since its a Sources compilation of information concerning the Star Wars Universe.

You and the rest of the self contradicting delinquents here are in denial, nothing more nothing less 😄.

Except Wookiepedia directly contradicts several of your points, and doesn't mention most of the rest at all, and even the few points that are there (matukai moving like whirlwinds, Zeison Sha being great at TK) involves you ignoring other stuff that goes directly against your conclusions (Jedi also noted to move like whirlwinds and be great at TK), not to mention other things that directly go against your conclusions like how they view the Imperial Inquisition. You go way outside what's written there and into the realm of making stuff up and outright obvious lies.

I think you're the one in denial, denial hard. I mean, here you are arguing that you, and only you, have figured out the hidden meanings of the words that are not written down, even though a lot of your stuff goes against what other words say or imply.

You might want to consider that if wookiepedia doesn't directly say something, and the people who have the books the wookieepedia article is based on say that those sources don't say it either and often directly contradict what you're saying, and everyone keeps on pointing out your conclusions are made-up, you may just be in the wrong here.

Originally posted by Q99
Except Wookiepedia directly contradicts several of your points, and doesn't mention most of the rest at all, and even the few points that are there (matukai moving like whirlwinds, Zeison Sha being great at TK) involves you ignoring other stuff that goes directly against your conclusions (Jedi also noted to move like whirlwinds and be great at TK), not to mention other things that directly go against your conclusions like how they view the Imperial Inquisition. You go way outside what's written there and into the realm of making stuff up and outright obvious lies.

I think you're the one in denial, denial hard. I mean, here you are arguing that you, and only you, have figured out the hidden meanings of the words that are not written down, even though a lot of your stuff goes against what other words say or imply.

You might want to consider that if wookiepedia doesn't directly say something, and the people who have the books the wookieepedia article is based on say that those sources don't say it either and often directly contradict what you're saying, and everyone keeps on pointing out your conclusions are made-up, you may just be in the wrong here.

A master of Telekinesis is the required achievement to reach in order to pull down ships with minimal effort. Oh and every single Zeison Sha Warrior meets that requirement.

Concerning the Matukai, Pwned already said himself. "Anyone can make a whirlwind, but not a blur" and yet instead of Matukai Adepts just creating a Blur when they fight or run. Matukai Adepts are fast and strong enough to create a "whirlwind" blur just using their fist and feet, or just using complex martial acrobatics.

Wookieepedia shot down all of your points, and now you're just simply disagreeing. Suck it up and S.T.F.U 🙂