Originally posted by vince_slice
http://4ms.me/V4czsEHmm, so according to Hickman not all the IGs are equal to each other.
Originally posted by ODG
Anyway, Doom was in his IG's native dimension and he was overrun too.
Originally posted by zopzopBut that's the thing Mr. M, they were "stepped to" and they folded, shattered to pieces.
I guess you can say that was because Captain America was a fail wielder but they still shattered.
He was in 616 reality using the 616 Gems.
The Gems shattered, yes. But why? What happened? Where are they?
Do they still exist? What is an illusion? Did they will their own explosion?
Many questions, this is just one book.
let's give it time good friend. 🙂
Originally posted by vince_sliceHmm, so according to Hickman not all the IGs are equal to each other.
He only states: "They're all powerful"
Originally posted by ODGThat Reed had access to his native universe
so I'm not sure there's a handicap there.
btw. When he did access his IG, he one shotted all the Celestials there,
and then the portal got caught off, so some Celestials hauled ass.
Originally posted by ODGAnyway, Doom was in his IG's native dimension and he was overrun too.
Originally posted by zopzopOnly a Sith deals in absolutes. And Hickman is no Sith.
What a headache! 😠 So is the 616 the most powerful IG or not? Ugh...Wait, what happened? His IG was functional and he was beaten back? Who overran him?
Doom's own creations. Which I see as a play on the whole omnipotence paradox thing, "If God can do anything, can He make a stone so big He can't lift it something that could beat even Him?" Depending on your take, some people would say it's impossible, so technically God can't. Doom did.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, they didn't exactly fold, they did stop that entire universe, and pushed it away.The Gems shattered, yes. But why? What happened? Where are they?
Do they still exist? What is an illusion? Did they will their own explosion?Many questions, this is just one book.
let's give it time good friend. 🙂
Stop killin' my dreams Mr. M 🙂
I have to agree with Mr Master.
Thanos with it killed half of creation without a though. That's way greater than pushing a single universe.
I think Cap had to have done something, after experiencing the power, I don't think he wanted it to fall into the wrong hands. That's MHO. We have to wait and see.
Originally posted by ODGdidn't they take his gauntlets?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. And Hickman is no Sith.Doom's own creations. Which I see as a play on the whole omnipotence paradox thing, "If God can do anything, can He make
a stone so big He can't lift itsomething that could beat even Him?" Depending on your take, some people would say it's impossible, so technically God can't. Doom did.
Been a while since I read that so I dunno
Wait what Doom had the Gauntlet? The only time I remember Doom having the Guanlet is in a What If. He pretty much wiped the Celestial race and exhausted the IG's power.
It looks like the IG is no longer as powerful as it once was....Maybe it will have a very good feat soon but I think those days are over. 🙁
Originally posted by kgkg
It looks like the IG is no longer as powerful as it once was....Maybe it
will have a very good feat soon but I think those days are over.
But now, according to Hickman's response to Galan, it seems this isn't exactly the case either,
it appears, that the IG may be "God-like" outside as well.
Although, Hickman was vague, I think he's got something special up his sleeve,
I hope he gives us a true showing of "all powerful" as he stated about the IG.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, they didn't exactly fold, they did stop that entire universe, and pushed it away.The Gems shattered, yes. But why? What happened? Where are they?
Do they still exist? What is an illusion? Did they will their own explosion?Many questions, this is just one book.
let's give it time good friend. 🙂
I also love how he doesn't acknowledge the "universal" part of the question.
(imo, he implies that's not the case)He only states: "They're all powerful"
Right. Only that One Reed acquired access for a moment,
but the the others got fried which never had access.btw. When he did access his IG, he one shotted all the Celestials there,
and then the portal got caught off, so some Celestials hauled ass.Haven't read that.
Incorrect not all the gems shattered the time gym disappeared iam guessing a big hint thte IG has a bigger role or just to cover that the IG fail with some PIS reason later
Originally posted by DarkOdinIncorrect not all the gems shattered the time gym disappeared iam
guessing a big hint thte IG has a bigger role or just to cover that the
IG fail with some PIS reason later
But hey, it's a good heads up for those that aren't paying attention, so cool. 🙂
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The link's got broken for some reason. Good thing I kept a screen-shot of it:
That was pretty obvious.
Originally posted by vince_slice
http://4ms.me/V4czsEHmm, so according to Hickman not all the IGs are equal to each other.
Originally posted by ODG
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. And Hickman is no Sith.Doom's own creations. Which I see as a play on the whole omnipotence paradox thing, "If God can do anything, can He make
a stone so big He can't lift itsomething that could beat even Him?" Depending on your take, some people would say it's impossible, so technically God can't. Doom did.
Doom seems to be paradoxically good at sucking...
Originally posted by kgkg
Wait what Doom had the Gauntlet? The only time I remember Doom having the Guanlet is in a What If. He pretty much wiped the Celestial race and exhausted the IG's power.
In Fantastic Four #611, he later went to one of those dead Reeds' even dead-er universe, and reignited it using the power of that universe's native IG. He lost it to his created subjects later on.
Originally posted by ODG
Doom's own creations. Which I see as a play on the whole omnipotence paradox thing, "If God can do anything, can He makea stone so big He can't lift itsomething that could beat even Him?" Depending on your take, some people would say it's impossible, so technically God can't. Doom did.
Plus Cap being the only one who could use the gems to push away the other universe in New Avengers(also written), due to him being the one whose idea it was to begin with, also lends credence to this theory behind Doom's loss imo.
Originally posted by ODG
Considering the Mad Celestials beat back an IG wielder, I don't see how you can think this.
Originally posted by Galan007
The third IG was used to momentarily pwn several Mad Celestials and then was never seen again(I just noticed that, and it's very weird.)
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086658/ff_572_007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086659/ff_572_008.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086661/ff_572_009.jpg.html<----He's still wearing the IG here.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15086662/ff_572_016-017.jpg.html<----A few pages later, it's gone.
Effin' strange, imo.
Originally posted by zopzop
LOL. TouchéThis is nuts. So SuperGod Herc and Chaos King > any single IG? Think about it. The IG is universal and only functions in it's native reality.
Chaos King has devoured 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE. SuperGod Herc restored 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE (sure he burnt himself out, but whatever).
Damn....
You say multiverse I say universe
Especially considering how Hercules was able to restore what chaos king destroyed...
And that mikaboshi was defeated by throwing him into another universe...
And also since oblivion treats chaos king as only an aspect of hisself...
But we shall agree to disagree with you trying to bring up something to this thread that doesn't belong.
:-/
