Kit Fisto and Mace Windu vs. Savage Oppress and Maul

Tiin had no idea,telepathy ?
Yoda couldn't read his mind or sense him.

Exactly. He tried to read his mind and got a saber due to being distracted.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Opress did manage to duel Sidious for a short duration in 1 on 1 scenario unlike Fisto.

During which, Sidious started out with no sabers active, and finished by double-stabbing him without looking.

And Fisto doesn't have to be Opress's equal to hang with him for some time.

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I will mention that the CW cartoon in general tends to longer duels than other sources.

Savage...it's sad,really ..I saw a good potential in him,
if he was properly trained.
he tried his best to defeat Sidious.
he admitted that he was nothing like his brother and failed as his apprentice.

Who is next to die Ahsoka Tanno ?
What happened to the dark saber?
Does Sidious keep it and add it to his collection or discards it?

Originally posted by Q99
During which, Sidious started out with no sabers active, and finished by double-stabbing him without looking.

Originally posted by Q99
And Fisto doesn't have to be Opress's equal to hang with him for some time.

Originally posted by Q99

During which, Sidious started out with no sabers active, and finished by double-stabbing him without looking.

Your missing the fact that there clearly was a clash of Sabers and Sidious obviously was out for blood seen as he killed him.

And that was the one on one. Let's not forget the whole fight up until then where Opress was fighting Sidious alongside Maul and even got past Sidious's defenses at one point.

Compare that to Fisto's attempt who was fighting alongside a more powerful ally-Mace Windu.

Originally posted by Q99
And Fisto doesn't have to be Opress's equal to hang with him for some time.

That's true. Although I'd call it more surviving than hanging in this case. And a Force Wave from Opress should put him down.

Originally posted by Q99
I will mention that the CW cartoon in general tends to longer duels than other sources.

Well Filoni did make the comparison. And there hasn't been a CW cartoon saber fight as long as Obi-Wan vs Anakin. Or even Maul vs Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

I 'll call it surviving,too. but I don't think Mace will let him die,
he would eventually help him or Savage or Maul would just take him
out the fight. to make it more interesting.

Originally posted by Q99
They knew he was bad. They did *not* know he was that powerful, that fast, or that he'd attack in such an aggressive manner.

Heck, they likely expected he'd surrender or that Mace'd do all the work.

Also I will note the Novel version had Sidious attack when Tiin was trying to use telepathy, so more explicitly catching him off guard by using his own ability against him.

They see him jump over the table with a lightsaber drawn. Unless they are idiots, there guards would definitely be up. Heck, Tiin even seems to be attempting to attack before he is struck down.

I remember seeing that!!!
good call...
too me they froze like a deer in head lights!!! lol.

Originally posted by ares834
They see him jump over the table with a lightsaber drawn. Unless they are idiots, there guards would definitely be up. Heck, Tiin even seems to be attempting to attack before he is struck down.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
I remember seeing that!!!
good call...
too me they froze like a deer in head lights!!! lol.

He was too fast for them.

He out-moved them. Duh. 🙄

Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. He butchered them not because they weren't ready for him. But because he was simply to fast.

Considering that Windu was capable of standing against Sidious and disarming him, there's no doubt as to his ability. Aided by another noted duelist the Jedi should certainly walk away from this one the victors.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dave Filoni has confirmed that Opress performed better against Sidious than Tiin+Kolar+Fisto. So Fisto on his own isn't lasting long against him. One Force wave followed by pounding on him with his tremendous strength and Fisto is gone.

Could I get a link on that quote?

Mace in close-combat = Sidious - who beat Maul and Savage.

Mace can beat both Maul and Savage down by himself, with moderate difficulty.

With Fisto - this is overkill.

Of course Team 1 wins.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Could I get a link on that quote?

http://starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep516/#!/media/commentary

At about 1:29.

Filoni says, "He (Savage) puts up a better fight, you know, than the Jedi Council did; I'll say that much for him."

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dave Filoni has confirmed that Opress performed better against Sidious than Tiin+Kolar+Fisto. So Fisto on his own isn't lasting long against him. One Force wave followed by pounding on him with his tremendous strength and Fisto is gone.

This is Fisto vs. Opress, not Fisto vs. Sidious. Facing Sidious is very, very different from facing Opress. Remember he could go one-on-one against Grievous. Fisto is no pushover; Opress would definitely not take him down easily.

Could Mace defeat both brothers on his own? Dunno. Should be a good fight at least. But Maul alone should be able to hold his own in Sabers for a time. He did against Sidious so I don't see why he couldn't against Mace.

Yes, he could most probably defeat both brothers. I doubt Maul could last very long against Mace, mainly thanks to his Vapaad and Shatterpoint. He defeated Sidious. I don't see why he couldn't defeat Maul with relative ease, seeing as Maul is no where near Sidious in terms of Force power nor saber skill.

Also this completely throws the Kit Fisto~Kenobi notion.

Not really. Despite the assertions of a vocal minority, Obi-Wan’s performance against the brothers—while impressive—was the result of circumstance. Which is why, before Adi Gallia’s death in the same episode, he was unable to defeat Maul one-on-one and fled when Savage entered the fray. (To say nothing of Obi-Wan’s retreat in “Revenge.”)

Kit may not be Obi-Wan’s equal, but they’re definitely in the same league.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not really. Despite the assertions of a vocal minority, Obi-Wan’s performance against the brothers—while impressive—was the result of circumstance. Which is why, before Adi Gallia’s death in the same episode, he was unable to defeat Maul one-on-one and fled when Savage entered the fray. (To say nothing of Obi-Wan’s retreat in “Revenge.”)

Kit may not be Obi-Wan’s equal, but they’re definitely in the same league.

It was certainly not the result of "circumstance". If anything his earlier performances against Maul were a result of circumstance. Savage alone is stated to be>Kit Fisto. Kenobi outclasses Opress in sabers.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It was certainly not the result of "circumstance".

According to Filoni, it sure was.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If anything his earlier performances against Maul were a result of circumstance.

Hardly. Of the two previous fights with Maul on the show (one of which was literally five minutes before), Obi-Wan never displayed sufficient prowess to take them both on and win.

You're taking the exception and trying to pass it off as the rule.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Savage alone is stated to be>Kit Fisto.

No, Savage is stated to put up a better fight against Sidious than did Fisto.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kenobi outclasses Opress in sabers.

That may or may not be true. The burden is on you to prove Savage outclasses Kit in this regard.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also this completely throws the Kit Fisto~Kenobi notion.

I think Fisto and Kenobi used to be equal, but Kenobi has simply gotten better.

Savage vs Kenobi used to be closer.

It's really no different from Asajj taking on Anakin & Obi-Wan in "Nightsisters" while wounded and holding her own. Usually, when she fights them one-on-one, she's on the losing side.

Not to mention the fact that Maul clearly had no interest in killing Obi-Wan, which was implied in "Revival" (demanding Obi-Wan's surrender) and confirmed in "The Lawless."

Short of Filoni or someone outright telling me otherwise, I'm disinclined to allow a contorted view of a singular instance outweigh the outcomes of multiple ones.