Originally posted by Vensai
Who exactly did you have in mind?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unless you are one of the six great swordbeings of the Jedi Order, Ventress can likely take you down.
Plo Koon fought her off with a broken arm and Kit probably takes her as well. Ventress would probably make short work of most Jedi Knights and Masters, but I believe the ranking members of the Council have her edged out.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Plo Koon fought her off with a broken arm and Kit probably takes her as well. Ventress would probably make short work of most Jedi Knights and Masters, but I believe the ranking members of the Council have her edged out.
Kit Fisto lost to Ventress in Cetus Deception. I count Plo Koon amongst the sword beings of the order actually...although he did lose to Savage (such a silly thing).
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Kit Fisto lost to Ventress in Cetus Deception.
The same Cestus Deception wherein Kit was depicted to outclass Obi-Wan? mmm
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I count Plo Koon amongst the sword beings of the order actually...although he did lose to Savage (such a silly thing).
Savage and Ventress are peers. And, as I explained to you, it wasn't a decisive victory for the Zabrak.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The same Cestus Deception wherein Kit was depicted to outclass Obi-Wan? mmm
The same Cetus Deception that occurs four weeks after AOTC. I don't think AOTC Kenobi would be able to defeat, hell or even stalemate General Grievous. Kit Fisto did.
Savage and Ventress are peers. And, as I explained to you, it wasn't a decisive victory for the Zabrak.
I agree. He cheated excellent
Originally posted by The_Tempest
...Who asked you to apologize?
Sounds like you shouldn't be so keen to jump the gun, what with all these details you neglect.
Right, so by your prescribed logic, only Ventress can equal Grievous "in teh pure saberz." And we edge ever closer to the epiphany that your argument is self-defeating.
Pong Krell with two double blades could defend against army of clones attacking from all sides. It's very simple to conclude that using more lightsabers makes it easier to block more attacks with less movements.
Lord Nyax fending off Luke+Mara+Tahiri+17 Vongs. If he had only one lightsaber, he would have to be multiple times faster to deflect the same amount of attacks. And he fought them offensively.
Grievous was attacked by Fisto and Nahdar from opposite sides and was fending them off simultaneously. Can you imagine similar feat, if he had only one lightsaber?
If Grievous splits hands into four, each hand is twice weaker but four blades is just too much to deflect with single saber. But having two lightsabers takes away that advantage as practitioner can block more attacks.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Well, do you consider AOTC Obi Wan holding his own against Dooku for about 20 or so seconds as being a brief stalemate?
I consider it a decent feat considering that an exhausted Kenobi was able to fend off blows from a fresh top tier opponent. What surprises me more is how an exhausted Kenobi's force defenses prevented Dooku's FL-TK combo after it owned Anakin.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The same Cetus Deception that occurs four weeks after AOTC. I don't think AOTC Kenobi would be able to defeat, hell or even stalemate General Grievous. Kit Fisto did.I agree. He cheated excellent
I suppose Opress didn't really best Plo in sabers.
Originally posted by VensaiI suppose Opress didn't really best Plo in sabers.
If you don't include physical attacks then I suppose you could say he's not beat him in "Pure Sabers" but he's best him in close combat. As he has Ventress. I don't see why people are not accepting his superiority over the 2.
Unless they want to agree that Ventress would have performed better with BOTH HER SABERS! (I actually think she would have).
Either way Ventress would tool Fisto. There's no reason at all to believe that Fisto has improved to the extent that Ventress has through the Clone Wars. So no reason at all to believe that she still wouldn't tool him as of Late CW/ROTS.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If you don't include physical attacks then I suppose you could say he's not beat him in "Pure Sabers" but he's best him in close combat. As he has Ventress. I don't see why people are not accepting his superiority over the 2.Unless they want to agree that Ventress would have performed better with BOTH HER SABERS! (I actually think she would have).
Either way Ventress would tool Fisto. There's no reason at all to believe that Fisto has improved to the extent that Ventress has through the Clone Wars. So no reason at all to believe that she still wouldn't tool him as of Late CW/ROTS.
Plo's reliance on his breath mask leaves him vulnerable to such physical attacks. And Ventress is used to using two sabers instead of one, so she is somewhat reliant on the both of them. Fisto's Form 1 has a natural disadvantage agaisnt Form 2 users. And Ventress has gotten stronger since their first meeting.