Originally posted by pym-ftwYou're making this too easy. Experience doesn't mean shit, quality of training does.
Really, I guess your name callings how you ended up a sockBeing depowered doesn't take away from his huge experience advantage he gained over his IMMORTAL life span...
Everything is said wasn't wrong,... Just your misplaced anger...
By your logic Thor would be a better fighter than Iron Fist because he has more experience
Again experience means jack, Hercules is a mediocre fighter but he beat Elektra because she is also a mediocre fighter
Good lord you're retarded,
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Really, I guess your name callings how you ended up a sockBeing depowered doesn't take away from his huge experience advantage he gained over his IMMORTAL life span...
Everything is said wasn't wrong,... Just your misplaced anger...
By brick standards, Herc's good. He beat Thing easy enough in a wrestling match, and Thing's regarded as a good brawler..
But yeah, Elektra should have been more then a match for him on pure skill. I consider that showing PIS, personally, as she has many much better showings.
Anyways, this is a good match.. I'm leaning towards Shiva, but Elektra does have the benefit of deflecting bullets with her sai and some other nice speed feats..
Originally posted by cdtm
By brick standards, Herc's good. He beat Thing easy enough in a wrestling match, and Thing's regarded as a good brawler..But yeah, Elektra should have been more then a match for him on pure skill. I consider that showing PIS, personally, as she has many much better showings.
Anyways, this is a good match.. I'm leaning towards Shiva, but Elektra does have the benefit of deflecting bullets with her sai and some other nice speed feats..
Originally posted by abhilegend
PIS doesn't excuses low showings. Elektra side is using tim and cass as low showings for shiva.
They're crazy. o_o
Tim's good, but not that good. I think he gets the benefit of writers bias a lot, personally..
And Cass, how is losing to her a low end showing for Shiva? She was being written up a child prodigy, and later was taken in hand by Batman with no life outside of training and she had a "precog" ability, and she lost her first match to Shiva (Was killed, in fact.)
Originally posted by cdtm
They're crazy. o_oTim's good, but not that good. I think he gets the benefit of writers bias a lot, personally..
And Cass, how is losing to her a low end showing for Shiva? She was being written up a child prodigy, and later was taken in hand by Batman with no life outside of training and she had a "precog" ability, and she lost her first match to Shiva (Was killed, in fact.)
Originally posted by leonidas
more importantly--where did herc beat her in a sword fight...?
As for this thread, Shiva takes the comfortable majority imo.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B]
Used Cap just as an example of a weapon wielder who's still one of the best fighters. You tried to discredit Elektra.Wrong. She has. Elektra and Wolverine: The Reedemer.
Unlike them Tony has photographic reflexes and can boost his speed, so...
Cap is still not as skilled as Elektra...And how did I try to discredit Elektra when she is no where on Shiva's level. You tried to bring up her fight with Tim as a low showing.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B]
It's obvious you didn't read the mini then, because Elektra's horrible condition was the major part of the plot...
IIRC it took pages after pages to beat Bullseye...Bullseye who is not even on par with Shiva in the slightest bit.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Better don't say anything next time.
2. Wrong, wrong, wrong. He won because of his super sense of balance when he wanted to get his revenge on Bullseye.In Brubaker's run.
3. You really think the number of mastered styles matters so much...? Think again.
4. I never said he's a top tier. He's close to being one, though.DD's also got beaten by him, so what's your point...?
More like mediocre.
1. Lets see Elektra take on a Wolverine that was actually trying.
2. It's a fact that DD does not go all out on Elektra, I don't know why you're ignoring that.
3. No it shows how skilled they are. Shiva can use a style that Elektra wouldn't even notice. What's Elektra going to do against Shiva's body reading?
4. When did I say Bullseye hasn't beaten him? My main point was that Elektra usually has trouble fighting him.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He wasn't beating her, they were evenly matched until Zeus(who was wearing the Helm of Hades) sneaked up on her. Something that kuraamyook conveniently forgot to point out.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100395/2140484-herc_vs_elektra.png
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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100395/2140481-herc_vs_elektra_4.pngAs for this thread, Shiva takes the comfortable majority imo.
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yeah, that's not exactly the way that scene was painted a could times in this thread. that scene is meaningless, and he certainly didn't 'win' the exchange. hilarious how people can so outright lie on a comicbook site. brilliant. herc DID receive the benefit of a nice renewed focus on his skills while mortal as well, so even the fact that he parried her a couple times isn't surprising.
i don't know enough about shiva to say for sure, but i do know elektra very well. based on who it was said shiva beat and how, this is certainly not a stomp as some of have. seems fairly even from what i've been able to gather. what makes you think elektra wins so comfortably?
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't know enough about shiva to say for sure, but i do know elektra very well. based on who it was said shiva beat and how, this is certainly not a stomp as some of have. seems fairly even from what i've been able to gather. what makes you thinkelektrashiva wins so comfortably?
Originally posted by leonidas
😂yeah, that's not exactly the way that scene was painted a could times in this thread. that scene is meaningless, and he certainly didn't 'win' the exchange. hilarious how people can so outright lie on a comicbook site. brilliant. herc DID receive the benefit of a nice renewed focus on his skills while mortal as well, so even the fact that he parried her a couple times isn't surprising.
i don't know enough about shiva to say for sure, but i do know elektra very well. based on who it was said shiva beat and how, this is certainly not a stomp as some of have. seems fairly even from what i've been able to gather. [B]what makes you think elektra wins so comfortably?
Read some comics with her in it...Just to give you a hint. Batman acknowledged her as one of the best MA and he asked her to train him.
Although I don't agree that Hercules is as skilled as his A list(street) groups something to consider.
Hercules was shown to be greater at HtH then Thor(IIRC Thor did admit this while Herc had him in a sleeper hold) and more skilled then the Thing(as someone stated above in wrestling).
So his skill has been noted above his tier group. Also in the scans provided Elektra was not defeated. Plus even if Herc is not as skilled as her in HtH. He might be as skilled as her with a "weapon". Characters like Swordman or Zemo are not as skilled as Steve in hth but because there skill with weapons. They are very dangerous.
Plus it's not like Elektra loss that fight. It's not like she got KO in 3 seconds.....LOL(Prom vs Shiva fight).
Some also brought up her stalemate with Black Widow. Sure BW was very impressive since they both had each other in a close to death move at the end. But it was Elektra that left the fight healthy/easily while BW passed out unconscious.
Now against Bullseye...she did lose to him once but that's been nullified that after her death she defeated him handily and in there last fight while injured. She still defeated him again.
So Elektra has made up with her losses even her loss against TaskMaster she then defeated him back.
Shiva on the other hand has not redeemed herself against her losses(especially that awful fight with her lifeless body left hanging on a hook by Cass).
Shiva beat her once in the past.
Cass beat her back in the rematch.
As then in there next fight Cass humiliated her.
This is more along the lines of how Elektra is portrayed. Cass overall record is very impressive indeed. But then so is Elektra like stalemating her top A-list names like Shang-Chi or Logan.
You can make a much better case for Cass that's for sure then, what you can for Shiva. But to say Cass is superior to Elektra would also be a lie considering her "overall" record outside from just her Shiva fights.
