Originally posted by Galan007
When was it stated that Qui-Gon=Mace, then?
It wasn't, I concede that point.
This is what I found in the Jedi source book.
"In the history of the Jedi Order only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master in lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was effective, yet stunningly effective."
However it is also important to note that it also says this.
"Perhaps only Master Mace Windu equalled him in skill and reputation-though Master Windu argued he was still but a Padawan compared to Master Yoda."
^This quote compared to the one from DR
"Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground."
They are the same thing. And as of AOTC
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaI'm not exactly sure what you're arguing here..?
It wasn't, I concede that point.This is what I found in the Jedi source book.
"In the history of the Jedi Order only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master in lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was effective, yet stunningly effective."
However it is also important to note that it also says this.
"Perhaps only Master Mace Windu equalled him in skill and reputation-though Master Windu argued he was still but a Padawan compared to Master Yoda."
^This quote compared to the one from DR
"Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground."
They are the same thing. And as of AOTC
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So do we all agree that this is a pretty much a non fight and Mace wins?
Clearly not, since the votes are pretty even, but it's actually Skywalker whose in the lead atm.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing here..?
That Dooku's awesome.
I'd put my money on Mace. Given Anakin's abundance of inner darkness, Vaapad's superconducting loop would be in full effect-- and if he was able to overpower Palpatine via Vaapad, he can definitely overpower Anakin.
Imho.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWell, yeah. Everyone knows that. 😛
That Dooku's awesome.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Clearly not, since the votes are pretty even, but it's actually Skywalker whose in the lead atm.That Dooku's awesome.
I like you DP I really do, I just wish you weren't wrong with me all the time i.e. look again at the votes 😛 Further, the majority of people in the thread.. a vast majority even.. have picked Mace as the winner.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I like you DP I really do, I just wish you weren't wrong with me all the time i.e. look again at the votes 😛 Further, the majority of people in the thread.. a vast majority even.. have picked Mace as the winner.
LOL Yes I can see Mace is stomping in the votes now. I mean 9-8? That decides it I guess.
Seriously though it wouldn't surprise me if Mace ends up stomping in the votes. He usually does.
I think I remember in the Dooku vs Mace poor Dooku only got like 3 votes or something ridiculous like that against like Mace's 16 or something.
But I'm glad Skywalker's getting a hell of a lot more respect here than Dooku and the Maul brothers.
Originally posted by Vensai
I could be mistaken, but I think the Jedi Academy Training Manual stated that Prime Quigon was capable of stalemating Windu in sparring matches. I don't know whether he had Vaapad at that time though.
I'll check it out. The Power of the Jedi Sourcebook says no such thing though.
Nope, the Jedi Academy training manual has no info on Qui-Gon or Mace that I can see.
Mace takes this with some difficulty. Yeah, Anakin took out ROTS Dooku pretty well, but the difference between Mace and Dooku is that Dooku is an old man. And we've all seen how slow Kenobi is by ANH.
That's why I've always believed Dooku in his prime (approx 40 yrs) is superior to Mace in his prime (hence why Yoda says Dooku is the order's most valuable student). But as Dooku get's older, Mace slowly becomes the superior combatant.
Also to say Anakin has a chance to defeat Windu as of ROTS, is to say that also Kenobi has a chance. Which I'd say some of you would disagree with.
Originally posted by mnat801
Mace takes this with some difficulty. Yeah, Anakin took out ROTS Dooku pretty well, but the difference between Mace and Dooku is that Dooku is an old man. And we've all seen how slow Kenobi is by ANH.That's why I've always believed Dooku in his prime (approx 40 yrs) is superior to Mace in his prime (hence why Yoda says Dooku is the order's most valuable student). But as Dooku get's older, Mace slowly becomes the superior combatant.
Also to say Anakin has a chance to defeat Windu as of ROTS, is to say that also Kenobi has a chance. Which I'd say some of you would disagree with.
The difference between Dooku and people like Kenobi and Qui-Gon, is Dooku is in a different league force wise. Because of his prodigious power in the force, Dooku is able to maintain fighting at peak levels for extended periods of time.
Master Yoda, for example is still able to fight at prime levels some 3-400 years beyond his prime.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaYeah, so imagine how good he was in his prime if he's still putting up a good fight at his age.
The difference between Dooku and people like Kenobi and Qui-Gon, is Dooku is in a different league force wise. Because of his prodigious power in the force, Dooku is able to maintain fighting at peak levels for extended periods of time.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaOr in his prime he was actually stronger than he is now.
Master Yoda, for example is still able to fight at prime levels some 3-400 years beyond his prime.
Originally posted by ares834
None of those put him on par with Yoda. The first two are both ambiguously worded with "perhaps" and "considered" and the second one not only clearly puts him below Yoda but Dooku as well (at least within the time frame).
Originally posted by Vensai
Interestingly, I recently saw a ROTS video game portrays Anakin beating Windu in a duel. Should we take these alternatives into account. They're both fairly even regardless.
No. But even if we did it hints towards Windu's superiority to essentially everyone in the PT if Mace can fight Palpatine and then fights him on even ground.