Beta Ray Bill vs Supergirl

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If we're talking specifically about that fight "Dark" Kara had with Martian Manhunter again, it's important to keep in mind that the locale wasn't really out in the middle of space somewhere.

The location was the crater on the Moon that then housed the Justice League of America (JLA) Satellite Base.

Which is significant, because, within range, that base generated a breathe-able atmosphere for people in and around the area.

A final proof of this is that, after going back to the crater, and after J'onnz's assault, and after Dark Kara chokes J'onnz into submission, and AFTER Light Kara then intervenes, the JLA finally rallies and confronts the merciful but wayward girl.
The members include Blace Canary and Flash, just demonstrated to, in fact, need air to breathe, even on the Moon, but there are no visible barriers save the perimeter of the crater to mark this safe area.

Dark Kara takes off and seems unimpeded by anything, Light Kara takes right off after her, and the JLA members talk among themselves about what action should be taken next, if any.

At any rate, the premise, likely, again, borrowed from X-Men, appears reasonably well-supported: the JLA Satellite produces sufficient air to keep man and alien alike breathing -- as long as they stay within the satellite's crater.

J'onn has been hit with unexpected attacks that would kill a normal human, and just regenerated. He doesn't have to be ready so that he can adjust his physiology accordingly. He has an adaptive biology.

And besides, Superman has been flat out shown not to need to breathe in space. Preboot Superman was anything but consistent in that regard.

And tbh, my initial point was speaking of J'onn's CIS (or just plain bad writing). He knows Kryptonians can see things that are invisible, yet he doesn't make himself intangible.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked that Supergirl arc, but there is a measure of PIS to it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

A crossover that is technically canon ...

mmm

Originally posted by armedforbattle

A crazy ruthless alien horse version of Thor?

Kara is not completely without a streak of ruthlessness herself.

To be fair, however, Brimstone here was a crazy ruthless artificial life super-menace ... (hopefully Kara knew that ...)

Hold a second ...

For some reason, that image is appearing at a fraction of the size I actually uploaded the thing in ...

Let me try an alteration, then:

Supergirl..with ease

Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant!
I speak the truth.
If both characters existed in reality (or some reality) then SG would own BRB easily.
She's too damn fast for him plus a lot stronger. She could palm the hammer if she wanted to. But she doesn't need to as she can just go to town on him using speed.

She cant pick up the hammer though.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
You're right. Any Thor level character vs any kryptonian would get destroyed quickly and easily in a fight.

She cant pick up the hammer though.

Originally posted by Arachnid1

[Supergirl] can't pick up the hammer ...

Superman, Captain America, a weird horse-faced alien, Wonder Woman AND the following green guy can do it but Kara can't ... ?

🙁

Originally posted by Arachnid1
You're right. Any Thor level character vs any kryptonian would get destroyed quickly and easily in a fight.

That's not true.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
She cant pick up the hammer though.

That is, though.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Superman, Captain America, a weird horse-faced alien, Wonder Woman AND the following green guy can do it but Kara can't ... ?

🙁

WW and BRB match the honor/altruism/battlelust/pride/passion themes surrounding thor's mithos. CA doesn't, but he is draped in the american flag and gets wanked over it.

hulk smashed that puny spell

kara wont lift mjolnir

lol, you guys are arguing as if they comics are real and there is a REAL worthy enchantment that goes by specific rules.
The worthy enchantment goes by the rules of the writer, not Odin (he doesn't exist). That means Joe Blow can lift the hammer if the writer wanted him to.

Trying to reason what is required to lift the hammer will lead to contradictions.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol, you guys are arguing as if they comics are real and there is a REAL worthy enchantment that goes by specific rules.
The worthy enchantment goes by the rules of the writer, not Odin (he doesn't exist). That means Joe Blow can lift the hammer if the writer wanted him to.

Trying to reason what is required to lift the hammer will lead to contradictions.

we debate about consistently portrayed powers and feats when dealing with forum battles between characters, inconsistencies notwithstanding. the same applies to the hammer.

It's important to point out that few, if any, are saying Kara NEEDS to use Stormbreaker to take Bill.

Rather only that if she can figure a way to DO so, she IS likely to do so.

Kara all on her own without any sledgehammer has gone against, and often wrecked, top level competition.

The techno-Doomsday of Superman Batman Annual #5 comes to mind (or is that Batman Superman Annual #5?) ...

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This shows again that Supergirl DOES possess a streak of ruthlessness, though obviously she rarely shows it unless extremely angry or driven ...

Unfortunately, like the fight of her predecessor against the Anti-Monitor, Kara finds herself unavoidably distracted, here even more justifiably so as Henshaw, WRECKED by the Doomsday she is facing, treacherously turns on her. Nightwing risks his life against Henshaw, which Kara, to save Nightwing, must reply in kind to, and Techno Doomsday finds the opening he needs then to reverse the situation.

Until that happens though, Kara is ripping apart an opponent that, again, TRASHED the Superman-level villain Henshaw, and that, if memory serves, despite the fact that this version of Doomsday had reconstruction powers to aid him.

Originally posted by 753
thanks for clarifying that for us.
ALL FICTIONAL WORK GOES BY THE RULES OF THE WRTITER.

we debate about consistently portrayed powers and feats when dealing with forum battles between characters, inconsistencies notwithstanding. the same applies to the hammer.

The biggest thing is : A noble heart (BRB can lift because of this). Yet many noble hearts can't lift it, even Balder.

That was a weakened Henshaw, iirc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That was a weakened Henshaw, iirc.

😬

Very nearly the opposite, PR.

It was SUPERGIRL who spent much of the issue weakened but was eventually healed in one of the medical chambers during the battle between the two. If anything, throughout 60% of the battle, Henshaw had MORE power than he usually does, for he had control of the entire satellite they were battling on. Even so, where they engaged in physical hand-to-hand fighting, Doomsday got the better of him. However, Henshaw DID manage to score an attack, some kind of devastating ray, that nearly put Doomsday down. Arguably it DID put Doomsday down, triggering his evolution power. For at THAT point, Doomsday suddenly gained powers similar to Cyborg, and began reconstructing himself, much as Henshaw had been doing to repair the damage Doomsday had been dealing him prior, and at THAT point, Henshaw himself lost some of his ability. But Doomsday was physically handling Henshaw before that point, even to ripping one of Henshaw's arms off.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Thor ... taken out by his own hammer ...

it's possible for Kara to do something similar to Bill, but not something I see happening often enough to cement it as a go-to tactic or something she'll try to do from the get go ...

I think Kara is more likely to try and pick up Stormbreaker only to realize something's up and she can't lift it.

Your last sentence, grudgingly, temporarily, I will agree with.
Mjolnir has refused enough people that it would probably put Supergirl on the reject list. It makes more sense than not that Stormbreaker, Bill's hammer, would do the same.

I disagree that taking control of the hammer is NOT "something she'll try to do from the get go", however.

Nearly every engagement I've seen where Kara isn't just blindly lashing out features her thinking how to take down her opponent in the quickest, safest, and/or most effective means possible, often, perhaps even usually, with their own weapon or by exploiting some weakness inherent in her opponent's make-up.

One minor case-in-point, for example: