Beta Ray Bill vs Supergirl

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm not directly presenting Supergirl's success against Ultraman for any main argument against Superman here. Not at the moment, at least.

I'm going on the relatively simple premise that people generally accept that Superman is stronger than Beta Ray Bill.

Ultraman is generally accepted as the physical strength equal of Superman. Maybe YOU disagree, but you're not general population, and you certainly don't see eye to eye with the writer of Trinity, who gave nearly exactly the explanation that I did for why Superman wins against Ultraman.

If Supergirl is stronger than Ultraman, however

(it'd be difficult to argue that she's more experienced in fighting than Ultraman during the times in her career that she fought him, I think),

then it logically follows that Kara is ALSO stronger than Beta Ray Bill. So you'd expect to see her with the advantage in that area, in any fight against BRB.

You said this, though:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At any rate, the Justice League arcs help corroborate the idea of Supergirl as a formidable fighter, easily on or above the level of Superman in terms of physical force.

Proof is that, except where she goes against Superman himself, who is gifted, not with physical advantage but far greater fight experience, Kara takes nearly ever Superman-analog who comes against her.

Best case-in-point is probably Ultraman, reckoned in nearly every way the physical equal of Kara's cousin.

Yet Supergirl rocked Ultraman in 2 previous encounters.

Despite receiving somewhat of a nerfing from later writer Sterling Gates, Kara does so in her most recent encounter with Ultraman as well:

(Justice League of America #51, Volume 2)

Or am I misunderstanding?

Originally posted by -Pr-

am I misunderstanding?

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Misunderstanding what? Where do you think there's any significant contradiction in what I wrote?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not trying to eliminate anything. All I'm saying is that Trinity, like many other books, shows that Superman is Ultraman's superior. You want to argue that it's down to skill more than strength? That's fine.

That same standard, though, doesn't apply to the likes of Mongul, Darkseid, Wonder Woman etc, all people that Superman has physically dominated at times, and that would all have comparable if not superior strength to Supergirl.

Arguing that Supergirl is Wonder Woman's physical equal would be difficult enough, but Superman is another notch above when it comes to pure brute strength.

the wonder woman say powergirl could be stronger than her,and who equal to powergirl in strength?
yes,is supergirl

It would be weird for Supergirl to Superman's equal.

A girl in her late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen...

Originally posted by curryman
It would be weird for Supergirl to [be] Superman's equal.

A girl in her late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen...

It would be weird for Superboy Prime to be Superman's equal.

A boy in his late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

Yet we see that Prime is, do we not?
In fact, he is superior.

It would ALSO be weird for Supergirl to be ULTRAMAN's equal.
A girl in her late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

Yet we see Supergirl besting Ultraman in each of their encounters as well, do we not?

Why does THAT not strike you as weird?
Or does it? What's your explanation for this 2nd one especially?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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Misunderstanding what? Where do you think there's any significant contradiction in what I wrote?

This specifically:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At any rate, the Justice League arcs help corroborate the idea of Supergirl as a formidable fighter, easily on or above the level of Superman in terms of physical force.

Proof is that, except where she goes against Superman himself, who is gifted, not with physical advantage but far greater fight experience, Kara takes nearly ever Superman-analog who comes against her.

Best case-in-point is probably Ultraman, reckoned in nearly every way the physical equal of Kara's cousin.

Yet Supergirl rocked Ultraman in 2 previous encounters.

Despite receiving somewhat of a nerfing from later writer Sterling Gates, Kara does so in her most recent encounter with Ultraman as well:

(Justice League of America #51, Volume 2)

Does this not imply that you think that Kara is Superman's physical equal?

Originally posted by a88378438
sure,superman could be stronger than supergirl,but really not tooo much,superman can move the earth,supergirl also could do it,superman destroy a planet,supergirl also do it,the superman only has advantage of his experience and skill in battle,this point apply any superman ago(even pre-crisis,any Kryptonian could be equal to superman)and in my point,supergirl was also stronger than wonder woman

superman has the feats to show that he's considerably stronger than kara.

Originally posted by a88378438
the wonder woman say powergirl could be stronger than her,and who equal to powergirl in strength?
yes,is supergirl

yet wonder woman is still stronger than power girl, and superman is stronger than either of them.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It would be weird for Superboy Prime to be Superman's equal.

A boy in his late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

It wouldn't be weird at all considering that Superboy Prime does not hold back 🙂

Also consider that Superboy Prime's age is around the time when explosive strength would be at its peak.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It would be weird for Superboy Prime to be Superman's equal.

A boy in his late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

Yet we see that Prime is, do we not?
In fact, he is superior.

It would ALSO be weird for Supergirl to be ULTRAMAN's equal.
A girl in her late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

Yet we see Supergirl besting Ultraman in each of their encounters as well, do we not?

Why does THAT not strike you as weird?
Or does it? What's your explanation for this 2nd one especially?

Historically and consistently usually characters FROM THE PRIME UNIVERSE are portrayed to be superior.

Also the fact that SBP usually or mostly if not always does not holds back like Superman does

Just saying.

Horse Face Hammer times her, and then dicks her down.

/end

Originally posted by -Pr-

Wonder Woman is ... stronger than Power Girl

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I've been too amazed looking at the above the last few minutes to pay attention to anything else.

Is this really P.R. I'm responding to?

His account didn't get hacked, did it?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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I've been too amazed looking at the above the last few minutes to pay attention to anything else.

Is this really P.R. I'm responding to?

His account didn't get hacked, did it?

Huh?

Diana is stronger. It might not be by a whole lot, but she has the superior feats.

Originally posted by curryman
It wouldn't be weird at all considering that Superboy Prime does not hold back 😛

Also consider that Superboy Prime's age is around the time when explosive strength would be at its peak.

Cleverly enough handled, Curry, but you know as well as I do it's the 2nd question I asked that's the challenge:

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C'mon man, don't duck me, I posted those scans on the previous page for a reason:

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It would ALSO be weird for Supergirl to be ULTRAMAN's equal.
A girl in her late teens on equal terms physically with a man who's more or less a perfect physical specimen.

Yet we see Supergirl besting Ultraman in each of their encounters as well, do we not?

Why does THAT not strike you as weird?
Or does it? What's your explanation for this 2nd one especially?

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Diana isn't stronger than PG. Why are we discussing this? Blue is being a spammer once again.

Don't bash.

And I don't agree. Even if the gap is small, I still think it's there.

I was going to read, but then I remember that is hard for me to follow blue's debates, because of his peculiar way to do it. So I'm sitting this one out.

No offense Blue, is just that if I haven't been reading since the beginning is hard for me to catch up. I'm learning impaired as many have noticed. 😛

Who are you arguing for anyway? Supergirl? or BRB? 😛

Let's cut to the chase, PR:

Do you believe ULTRAMAN would win against Beta Ray Bill?

If yes, why?

If not, why not?

oH SH1T, This is getting serious.

But Ultraman is not in this thread?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Let's cut to the chase, PR:

Do you believe ULTRAMAN would win against Beta Ray Bill?

If yes, why?

If not, why not?

I honestly don't know which one would win. To me, they're both inferior versions of more accomplished characters. That's not to say that I dislike them or anything; I just don't consider Bill to be Thor's equal in the same way I don't consider Ultraman to be Superman's equal.

If I had to pick one, probably Ultraman, unless Bill's magic played a more major part.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
oH SH1T, This is getting serious.

But Ultraman is not in this thread?

Nope.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I was going to read, but then I remember that is hard for me to follow blue's debates, because of his peculiar way to do it. So I'm sitting this one out.

No offense Blue, is just that if I haven't been reading since the beginning is hard for me to catch up. I'm learning impaired as many have noticed. 😛

Who are you arguing for anyway? Supergirl? or BRB? 😛

No problem. If the fight comes down to the purely physical, I'm going with Supergirl. And if Bill is not a strategist who uses the more exotic powers of Stormbreaker as a matter of course, I am again going with Supergirl for any average conventional fight. The exception to that would be if Supergirl, deciding to go for Bill's hammer, Stormbreaker, betrays too long a moment's surprise if she finds, separate from Bill, that she cannot lift or wield that thing. I can see Bill capitalizing on her shock and inexperience to enough of a degree to turn the fight around.
Otherwise, I'm thinking Kara is too swift, too decisively adept at quickly figuring out what an opponent's weakness should be or in using their weapons against them, and too physically strong for Bill to resist being overpowered once she decides to take him down.

On the other hand, if Bill's Modus Operandi is to open up a warp in space with Stormbreaker and have it swallow his opponent, or use the hammer to "probe" like Thor has done for magic and somehow discover that teleporting Kara to a red sun system would take the fight out of her, then I would go with Bill all the way.
From what I've currently seen, however, Bill is more or less a ruthless Thor-class brawler. I don't see that taking Kara down given her success against the likes of Doomsday and Ultraman and Thor's struggles with both Superman and Gladiator.