ROTS Mace Windu Vs AOTC/ROTS Count Dooku

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My only issue is.. why are you using questions marks where there is no question over and over again?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Galan does he know you're happily married? I mean it's kinda scary how he litterally follows you across all the forums and agrees with you. What's even scarier is his vivid homo fantasy directed at somebody else, but we all know this was actually a freudian slip. Please tell him no homo in the future or this obsession will only continue.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect as there is no conflict. It's only labeled non canon if there is a direct conflict. No such conflict exists here.

There is a direct conflict with him shouting for guards. He clearly wasn't that desperate to shout out for them. It doesn't even seem that he called for them in any way from a scene in which we basically see/hear the whole thing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
As you and Galan both agree.. the brought the droids to run interference.

Yes but their interference was minimal. The fact that it was just 2 droids shows Dooku was pretty confident as that's not exactly great back up against 2 Jedi.

I agree with Galan, that Dooku proved he wasn't in such a desperate situation with the combo attack on Kenobi and Skywalker. He completely outclassed them both at that point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thus when they do EXACTLY what he brought them for.. him shouting for them suddenly becomes non canon? That has got to be one of the most illogical things I've heard on this site in some time. A conflict would be NO droids in the movie... dooku saying he wasn't goign to use droids.. dooku saying droids would do no good. NONE of that happened. This is bordering on idiocy at this point... You both agree he wanted the droids to interfere... that means him calling for them.. is NO conflict what-so-ever.. in fact it falls directly in line with what we see in the movie.

I'm not even sure what your arguing here. Dooku shouting for the droids is not canon. It is a direct conflict.

Dooku being in a really desperate situation and not standing a chance without interference from the droids is also directly conflicted in the movie, with the droids causing minimal disruption, and Dooku humiliating the Jedi together.

NO DP Just NO.... That ISN'T A CONFLICT. I stated what a conflict would be. Characters not saying stuff in the movie they do in the novel DOESN'T MAKE IT NON CANON. If that were true we'd be throwing out hundreds of pages of thoughts and ideas never uttered in the movie but in the novel. We don't do that and SHOULDn'T do that. Is that your stance... if somebody was thinking something in the novel but never said it in the movie.. it's non canon? Is that your stance? The facts are these... Dooku BROUGHT THE DROIDS TO RUN INTERFERENCE... The DROIDS TRIED to do that... there IS NO conflict with him calling them to do so. That is EXACTLY why he brought them there.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
NO DP Just NO.... That ISN'T A CONFLICT. I stated what a conflict would be. Characters not saying stuff in the movie they do in the novel DOESN'T MAKE IT NON CANON.

...?

There is a conflict; Dooku never shouted at the droids or told them to engange in the movie, he did in the novel.

It is non-canon. DARTH POWER is right.

So any thoughts that the novel expanded upon in the novel that were never uttered in the movie makes them non canon. Are you suggesting we throw out ALL material in the novel that was spoken by characters in the movie.. is that your claim?

That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze and now Kenobi was back in the picture: with a shout of the Force, he shot like a torpedo up the stairs behind Skywalker, and Dooku decided that under these rather extreme circumstances, it was at least arguably permissible for a gentleman to cheat.

=Dooku's thoughts, i.e canon

"Guards!" he said to the pair of super battle droids that still stood at attention to either side of the entrance. "Open fire!"

=Bold parts conflicts with the movie, i.e non-canon.

Problem is.. even in the line you quoted that you said was canon.. dooku didn't shoot up the stairs like a torpedo

Next, do you believe dooku had the guards there for show or do you think he actually intended for them to interfere?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Problem is.. even in the line you quoted that you said was canon.. dooku didn't shoot up the stairs like a torpedo

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Next, do you believe dooku had the guards there for show or do you think he actually intended for them to interfere?

So he intended them to interfere but you have an issue with him calling for them to interfere... Not to be rude.. but do you realize how idioctic that sounds... ohhh he wanted them to interfere but I don't like him calling for them to interfere LULZ

no but sids wasnt' shown moving as fast as the novel describes so is that non canon? Mace and sids weren't shown fighting at said speeds is that non canon? Yoda was never shown disarming Sids.. is that non canon? Point is, there are NUMEROUS things not shown in the movies that are mentioned in the novel and they are STILL cannon.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So he intended them to interfere but you have an issue with him calling for them to interfere... Not to be rude.. but do you realize how idioctic that sounds... ohhh he wanted them to interfere but I don't like him calling for them to interfere LULZ

no but sids wasnt' shown moving as fast as the novel describes so is that non canon? Mace and sids weren't shown fighting at said speeds is that non canon? Yoda was never shown disarming Sids.. is that non canon? Point is, there are NUMEROUS things not shown in the movies that are mentioned in the novel and they are STILL cannon.

What difference did those 2 droids make anyway? In the film it diverted kept Kenobi away for a few more seconds. But Dooku still engaged Kenobi and Skywalker together, by himself, and still almost defeated them both.

That's what happened in the movie. So it's really a pointless argument to try and claim that Dooku needed the droids.

Whether you think he needed them or made that big of a difference is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue at hand is that it's canon that he called them. He wanted them to interfere and that is exactly what they did. I know you think very highly of dooku, and that's fine, but he felt he needed them/wanted them... so that counts for more than your opinion on whether he idd.

I''m not claiming he didn't need them. But the fact that he shouts at the guards is non-canon, like it or not.

Originally posted by Vensai
I don't believe Mace and Sidious were actually fighting so fast that Anakin could barely perceive them. .

I believe Nick Gillard somewhere mentioned that the fights were slowed down in the movies for the viewers to be able to watch them.

If anyone could post the interview?

Doesn't matter what he says.. by your theory it would be non canon... thankfully that isn't how things work. Many things not mentioned or shown in the movies but are in the novel are very much canon. The novel gives greater insight into things and goes into greater detail about things.. that's what it's for. Lucas tirelessly went over it to make sure it meshed nicely. Unless there is a DIRECT conflict it's canon. The part in question ISN'T a direct conflict.

It IS a direct conflict. In the novel Dooku shouts: "Guards, open fire!". In the film he does not.

Hence, that particular exclamation is non-canon.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand...?

You guys understand what a conflict is right? I mean really this is getting close to beyond stilly at this point. A conflict is something going directly against the movie and how lucas wanted things. There is NOTHING like that. A conflict WOULD be... Dooku saying he's not going to use any guards.. dooku saying he doesn't need the guards... dooku saying he doesn't want them interfering ... THOSE are what would make it a conflict an non canon. Here... you guys ADMIT dooku WANTED TO GUARDS to intervene... That IS EXACTLY why he brought them there. So how the **** is him calling for them to do EXACTLY what you say he wanted non canon? Jesus H. Christ... You guys are better than this. There are LITERALLY countless things characters say in the novel that is never spoken in the movie. That doesn't make it non canon. The point of the novel is to expand on details not seen in the movies. NOT to write a whole bunch of useless stuff in it they know people will view as non canon but go **** it... even with lucas correcting we still know it's non canon and we'll put it in. NO.. Lucas and other SPECIALLY put stuff in there for a reason.. not just for the **** of it so KMC could have all this stuff to label non canon. There is no conflict AT ALL here. By your standards of throwing out stuff.. we'd literally throw out a hundred pages of material that is never uttered in the movie.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A conflict WOULD be... Dooku saying he's not going to use any guards.. dooku saying he doesn't need the guards... dooku saying he doesn't want them interfering ... THOSE are what would make it a conflict an non canon.

That said, the novel states Dooku shouted to the droids: "Guards, open fire!" However, he didn't make that exclamation in the film, therefore it's non-canon. Simple.