Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you posted a video game (canon levels below the movie)
Well they don't fight in the movies. And the game's canon. Well at least the cut scenes. The gameplay just gives us an indication of what happened in between the scenes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and a fight where Dooku decided he needed help to escape?
There were several Jedi and an army of clones hunting him. If he carried stalemating Mace he'd have been captured for sure.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
[B]WRong again.. it's YOU that has to prove they were fighting with real sabers NOT ME. it's not my argument to prove. Further it doesn't matter if it was a real one or not...
No you have to prove they fought with training sabers which are designated for Padawans.
1. You admit dooku was older than Mace correct? Thus Dooku would be more experienced and thus more powerful correct? Thus the sparring is invalid to current Mace.
2. Sparring isn't a LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION. WTF is so hard to understand about this? Have you ever played a sport in your entire life? I mean honestly have you? If you did, you would understand the different between Practice and sparring. They are WORLD's appart.
3. not only are they worlds apart in how one might try or fight.. and not only is practice not a real life fight.. but the distance further grows between sparring and a fight.. when it's a life or death fight. That makes people fight a tad bit better and try that much harder. Are you really this dense that you can't comprehend that one might try harder in a fight for their life then they would sparring with a friend?
4. There is ZERO evidence that Mace had mastered Vaapad and Shatterpoint to the levels he had by ROTS.. If you have proof POST THE PROOF HE HAD. Further, he couldn't even use vaapad to its fullest potentional because he wouldn't be feeding on anybody DS inside of him or his opponents. More invalidating of a sparring match.
I don't have to. He invented Vaapad decades prior. Why would his mastery suddenly jump on his 60th birthday?
Lastly, please give me the time period in which they sparred.. I want a date.. Because from what I'm gathering this took place before the PM... Which would mean Mace would've grew in power by the time of ROTS.. Not only grown in power but mastered Vaapad and shatterpoint that much better.
Post a quote that says Mace's mastery increased in between AOTC and ROTS.
It used to be hypothesized he invented Vaapad in between TPM and AOTC and mastered it during the Clone Wars.
This has been knocked down given that PADAWAN Kenobi wanted to study Vaapad. So Vaapad was already a know and well recognized form well by the time of TPM. Giving Mace over 10 year to master it...
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Cant we all agree Dooku & Windu are complete equals in all categories and a fight between them can go ether way 50/50?.
No.
Perhaps if Dooku hadn't known he'd lose against Sidious, then it might be different.
But Dooku would lose to the man that Windu defeated.
ROTS Dooku would barely be able to defeat AotC Windu.
And ROTS Windu would kill ROTS Dooku, with moderate difficulty. 😮💨
Originally posted by §hroud
No.Perhaps if Dooku hadn't known he'd lose against Sidious, then it might be different.
But Dooku would lose to the man that Windu defeated.
ROTS Dooku would barely be able to defeat AotC Windu.
And ROTS Windu would kill ROTS Dooku, with moderate difficulty. 😮💨
ABC Logic has rarely shown to work.
Originally posted by Vensai
ABC Logic has rarely shown to work.
It's 123's, not ABC's. 😮💨
And it works here.
Dooku knew Sidious was too much for him, in any arena. He knew it.
But Mace was capable of defeating him.
So while ROTS Dooku could defeat AotC Mace with high-difficulty - ROTS Mace would defeat ROTS Dooku with mid-difficulty.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaThis is entirely inconsequential. With Vaapad, Mace was able to form a superconducting loop between he and Palpatine. That is what matters:
Also inner darkness or not. Palpatine has WAY more of it than Dooku does.
"Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow."
[...]
"Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source."
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Mace uses Vaapad to draw in an opponent's darkness and reflect it back at them in an infinite loop. That same principle would apply to Dooku just as it applied to Palpatine. Comprende?
Originally posted by §hroud
As the Poll above indicates, Windu indeed wins, here.ROTS Dooku would barely be able to beat AotC Windu.
But ROTS Windu is significantly more skilled and powerful than ROTS Dooku - and would mutilate him after a moderately difficult fight.
LOL the poll was dead even until you created an enormous entourage of dupes. How convenient.