Originally posted by "Id"
In Tiamut credit he did beat Arishem as he was on his knees before the others got the jump on him.And here the Prime Celestials (616) are credited to predate the known reality, shape it, and split it into a multiverse in its infancy. Its also stated that they created a reality, to be the prison of their abomination.
The four present in the begining of time are Arishem, Eson, Tiamut, and Nezarr.
I also spotted Oneg, Gammenon, and I cant make out the last one.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fear isn't a feat. Different writers different opinions. We go by showings instead. Galactus was one-two shotting Celestials (who tanked the UN for crying out loud).If you gone pick and choose then at least consider all the showings. And not just the ones you want.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆After all, Exitar is more powerful than the 4th Host combined--- and based on the scans posted earlier, it only took a few members of the 4th Host to preform a multiversal feat. 🙂
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It is. As canon as Tiamut getting drained and killed by one of those "monsters". Under the same writer as well, in the very same series.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYour sarcasm/satirical lowballing detector is as weak as the strength of your ability to flip-flop on any given issue.
It stated the Beyonder's destruction of a galaxy was a mere illusion. But it was shown to be "real". Both in SW and in the follow up : Spiderman and the Secret Wars.
It stated Thor drove away a hungry Galactus by drawing on Odin's power. This never happened on panel. Thor Godblasted him.
Using that two page spread that's not even a part of ANY story and containing errors is retarded especially when it's not stated ANYWHERE on panel in any story.
And the fact is, the multiverse creating Celestials made those things to be DESTROYERS. There is ZERO proof Galactus can replicate what those creatures were SPECIFICALLY created to do by the creators of the multiverse.
Try again.
Originally posted by zopzop
Fail. That scan is full of errors.It stated the Beyonder's destruction of a galaxy was a mere illusion. But it was shown to be "real". Both in SW and in the follow up : Spiderman and the Secret Wars.
It stated Thor drove away a hungry Galactus by drawing on Odin's power. This never happened on panel. Thor Godblasted him.
Using that two page spread that's not even a part of ANY story and containing errors is retarded especially when it's not stated ANYWHERE on panel in any story.
And the fact is, the multiverse creating Celestials made those things to be DESTROYERS. There is ZERO proof Galactus can replicate what those creatures were SPECIFICALLY created to do by the creators of the multiverse.
Try again.
Odin has been said to have given all Asgardians their life-forces many a time. They're part and parcel of the Odinforce. Technically speaking when Thor is charging up his Godblast with his life energies, he is invoking the Odin power.
Those monsters are energy drainers on a (potentially)cosmic scale. Galactus is an energy drainer on a (literally)cosmic scale. Do you even read your own arguments?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Thor admitted that he might of been speculating in regards to the Beyonder statement.Odin has been said to have given all Asgardians their life-forces many a time. They're part and parcel of the Odinforce. Technically speaking when Thor is charging up his Godblast with his life energies, he [b]is
invoking the Odin power.Those monsters are energy drainers on a (potentially)cosmic scale. Galactus is an energy drainer on a (literally)cosmic scale. Do you even read your own arguments? [/B]
And you are reaching like hell regarding that Thor/Galactus incident. On panel, no invoking of Odin was mentioned at all. Thor's Godblast hurled a weakened Galactus back. That's it.
So that panel has real errors on it. Now show me scans in an actual story that states Exitar is greater than the entire 4th Host.
Those monsters were created by the CREATORS OF THE MULTIVERSE for a SPECIFIC purpose. HTF is Galactus going to replicate that creature's feat?
Originally posted by zopzop
You're reaching. Thor stated that Beyonder's power was more or less on Odin's scale and even compared Beyonder creating Battleworld to Odin shaping Asgard. FAIL. Beyonder's power was a match for Doom who had absorbed ALL the power from Galactus' solar system ship : TAA II. When Beyonder died, his energies created an ENTIRE UNIVERSE. So no.And you are reaching like hell regarding that Thor/Galactus incident. On panel, no invoking of Odin was mentioned at all. Thor's Godblast hurled a weakened Galactus back. That's it.
So that panel has real errors on it. Now show me scans in an actual story that states Exitar is greater than the entire 4th Host.
Those monsters were created by the CREATORS OF THE MULTIVERSE for a SPECIFIC purpose. HTF is Galactus going to replicate that creature's feat?
Hardly. It has been mentioned many times that the life-forces of the Norse Gods are part of the greater Odinforce that flows throughout Asgard. Thor's Godblast is formed from his own godly life-energies. Which are derived from a portion of the Odinforce. Ergo Thor invoked the power of Odin when he defeated the malnourished Galactus.
What exactly is that purpose? To feed on matter and energy like a bunch of space-leeches. Which is similar to what Galactus does: feed on energy, just in his case he usually consumes planetary biospheric energies.
Humor me, flopflop.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Thor never stated that. He thought the Beyonder's best feat was destroying a galaxy, something which has been accomplished by Odin a number of times.Hardly. It has been mentioned many times that the life-forces of the Norse Gods are part of the greater Odinforce that flows throughout Asgard. Thor's Godblast is formed from his own godly life-energies. Which are derived from a portion of the Odinforce. Ergo Thor invoked the power of Odin when he defeated the malnourished Galactus.
Beyonder's fight with MM was transmultiversal (and this is POST retcon).
So fail.
Fact is, Thor NEVER invoked Odin and Odin isn't even mentioned on panel when Thor drove away Galactus. You're attempting to force your interpretation into the scene.
That two panel spread has ERRORS in it. Let it go. Now show me ON PANEL in an actual story where it's stated that Exitar is greater than the entire 4th Host.
What exactly is that purpose? To feed on matter and energy like a bunch of space-leeches. Which is similar to what Galactus does: feed on energy, just in his case he usually consumes planetary biospheric energies.Humor me, flopflop.
Yet somehow I'll bet you'll dispute this.
Fact is, the Creators of the Multiverse SPECIFICALLY created those things to do one thing : DESTROY. It's stated on panel.
Galactus has NOTHING to do with them and his purpose in creation isn't even remotely similar to those things. So you're reaching.
Originally posted by zopzop
BS. Beyonder's "best" feat is creating an entire universe with his "death energies" (ps he didn't really die either). Beyonder busted that galaxy by himself, it wasn't a shared feat (Odin/Seth, Odin/Forsung, etc..). Beyonder's power in Spiderman's hands remade the universe in seconds.Beyonder's fight with MM was transmultiversal (and this is POST retcon).
So fail.
Fact is, Thor NEVER invoked Odin and Odin isn't even mentioned on panel when Thor drove away Galactus. You're attempting to force your interpretation into the scene.
That two panel spread has ERRORS in it. Let it go. Now show me ON PANEL in an actual story where it's stated that Exitar is greater than the entire 4th Host.
I am forcing my interpretation on the scene? So you want to ignore all the times it has been outright mentioned that the Asgardians' life-forces are derived from the greater Odinpower? Because of the implications this has for every time Thor performs a Godblast, and how this fact literally validates what Thor claims in that panel?
You are a phucking zopocrite, you know that?
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, by this "logic" Tyrant can also replicate that energy tick's feat. I mean he's absorbed energies from the biosphere of planets and even the Power Cosmic. Tyrant was feeding on mystic objects like Storm Breaker too.
^The entirety of Marvel's actuality fluctuates from being a multiverse to an omniverse from story to story, writer to writer. For the purposes of Pak's storyline, it's implied that Marvel is a multiverse currently.
@flopflop
Anyways, I was talking strictly about what Galactus can do, not whether he's bound to try out such a strategy in this thread. It's not in his character to start eating a Celestial in combat, so arguing this is pointless anyways.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller[/b]
I am talking about what Thor thought. Not to mention Thor literally admitted in that scene that he had doubts about the feat, meaning he was unsure of the Beyonder's power-level alone. He did not express doubts about any of the other characters mentioned in that page.I am forcing my interpretation on the scene? So you want to ignore all the times it has been outright mentioned that the Asgardians' life-forces are derived from the greater Odinpower? Because of the implications this has for every time Thor performs a Godblast, and how this [b]fact
literally validates what Thor claims in that panel?You are a phucking zopocrite, you know that?
Beyonder > Odin in feats and fights ON PANEL. Arishem is stated my varioius writers throughout the years as being the greatest/mightiest of the Celestials ON PANEL. Thor Godblasted Galactus away he didn't draw on power from anything else (exactly like he did vs Exitar).
Where is on panel proof that disputes this?
Good to see that you're finally beginning to comprehend the basic tenets of logical argumentation. The rest of your post is a waste to address, but I feel that we're getting somewhere here. 👆
@flopflop
Anyways, I was talking strictly about what Galactus can do, not whether he's bound to try out such a strategy in this thread. It's not in his character to start eating a Celestial in combat, so arguing this is pointless anyways.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Is that from Greg Pak's recent Age of Apocalypse/X-treme X-Men tie-in?If we're using that series to prove the Celestials awesome godlike power, then on the same note Tiamut is the first to fall in battle in this thread.
Galactus will simply repeat what that energy tick whom the Celestials sealed off in the prison universe did to the Dreamer, just on a much bigger scale.
If he could, he would have done so with the Mad Celestial's. In anycase these things act as energy drains, across anything they come across. They could drain Galactus of its own power of cosmic.