Royal Rumble! Tiamut vs Galactus + Franklin Richards

Originally posted by zopzop

Your only proof of anything is a two pages of filler in an Annual that isn't part of any story and containing errors.

Beyonder > Odin in feats and fights ON PANEL. Arishem is stated my varioius writers throughout the years as being the greatest/mightiest of the Celestials ON PANEL.

Thor Godblasted Galactus away he didn't draw on power from anything else (exactly like he did vs Exitar).

Where is on panel proof that disputes this?

Oh please, neither Tyrant or Galactus could replicate what those ticks were SPECIFICALLY created to do by the makers of the very Multiverse.

How is that relevant? You tried to misconstrue what Thor states on those panels, when it's perfectly clear that Thor was unsure about the Beyonder's true power level when he made those statements. You purposefully lied to try and spin this as an error of sorts on the part of the writer, and now with your mistake pointed out to you, you're going into your traditional trollmode of "I M RITE! YOUR RONG!!!DURRR!!!!!!!". Stop. Just stop.

You do know what the Godblast is formed from, right? Thor's godly life-force, which is derived from the greater Odin-power flowing throughout Asgard, something that I have mentioned for the 5th or 6th time now. Or that it's channeled through a weapon that is enchanted by the Odinforce as well? Come out of your glopglop mode for a few seconds, and realize just how irrational your logic is sounding at this point.

Where is on-panel proof that disputes this?

Based on what?

Originally posted by "Id"
If he could, he would have done so with the Mad Celestial's. In anycase these things act as energy drains, across anything they come across.

Originally posted by "Id"
They could drain Galactus of its own power of cosmic.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't. I already admitted that it's not in-character for him to do so.

Maybe. I am not interested in arguing this atm.

Well you also need to consider that Tiamut (with the other Celestials), already confronted waves of these creatures, and beat them. However just one was enough to take him down.

This logically holds, considering Tiamut has been functioning on basic commands ever since his conscious acceded. And is drastically drained, thanks Sinister shenanigans.

At optimal levels, that lone creature would not have beaten him.

Well Galactus has absorbed Mephisto's entire dimension in the past before.

Originally posted by "Id"
Well you also need to consider that Tiamut (with the other Celestials), already confronted waves of these creatures, and beat them. However just one was enough to take him down.

This logically holds, considering Tiamut has been functioning on basic commands ever since his conscious acceded. And is drastically drained, thanks Sinister shenanigans.

His ascension was actually retconned from what I gathered from Gillen's Uncanny X-Men run. I wouldn't say drastically drained either, because we don't know exactly how much juice Sinister hauled from him, and earlier in this series itself, Beast and Kurt demonstrated that Tiamut still had enough power to inadvertently rip a hole in the fabric of the multiverse when they opened an interdimensional portal to the AoA reality in Tiamut's body.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Well Galactus was about to attempt to devour has absorbed Mephisto's entire dimension in the past before.

His ascension was actually retconned from what I gathered from Gillen's Uncanny X-Men run.

He was in the process of absorbing it, and there was nothing Mephisto could do to stop him, except give back his heralds.

Originally posted by zopzop
Proof? Or you reaching yet again?

I am sure though, that a Host of Celestials(most of whom knew Tiamut before his imprisonment) can be fooled by a zombie corpse. 👆

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Tiamut was actively fighting back when the creature got a hold of him, and when the X-Men managed to momentarily dislodge the energy tick, Tiamut started to run away from the fight. And in those same scans you posted on the previous page, it's stated that the Celestials couldn't destroy those abominations, hence the need for imprisoning them in the first place.

His ascension was actually retconned from what I gathered from Gillen's Uncanny X-Men run. I wouldn't say drastically drained either, because we don't know exactly how much juice Sinister hauled from him, and earlier in this series itself, Beast and Kurt demonstrated that Tiamut still had enough power to rip a hole in the fabric of the multiverse when they opened an interdimensional portal to the AoA reality in Tiamut's body.

Interdimensional travel is possible for any low herald (or higher) or using the right equipment. Tiamut is hardly functioning at the levels seen prior to his ascension. The proof is right there in the same issue. Fighting waves >> getting taken out by one.

Originally posted by "Id"
Interdimensional travel is possible for any low herald (or higher) or using the right equipment. Tiamut is hardly functioning at the levels seen prior to his ascension. The proof is right there in the same issue. Fighting waves >> getting taken out by one.

Tiamut also had aid from other Celestials when he fought off "waves" of these beings.

Originally posted by Galan007
So all the infinite universes within the multiverse used to comprise a single universe, until the Celestials physically shattered it? Interesting.

616 in its infancy (about 12 billion years ago). Reality was copied, split, and divided. Erecting walls, to seal in their mistake around neither-space all done unnaturally by the Prime Celestials.

Than you have other divergent timelines, or divergent realities grow out. Those would be caused by natural events. The What If's, possible futures, and what have you.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Did you read my full post? What Kurt and Beast did inadvertently ended up tearing a hole in the multiverse. That's not a feat that run of the mill heralds can achieve, and for most high heralds, it's a big-time career highlight, a level of power which is displayed rarely and usually almost always as a shared feat.

Tiamut also had aid from other Celestials when he fought off "waves" of these beings.

They simply attempted to crossover to their reality using the Celestial. They did not anticipate space/time to be extremely stressed, therefore blow a hole in reality thanks to their reality hope.

Originally posted by "Id"
They are also being outside of the creation event.

Oh and is the Fulcrum TOAA?

Not necessary true. IF they didn't predate the main universe then they are still part of creation. They just blew up the main universe into a multiverse.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Not necessary true. IF they didn't predate the main universe then they are still part of creation. They just blew up the main universe into a multiverse.

IMO that's open to interpretation. They shaped creation doesn't make them the creator, or creators, nor does it mention that they created the main universe. But the scans do say that they created life, so I'm not confident in my view of this.

Originally posted by Diesldude
IMO that's open to interpretation. They shaped creation doesn't make them the creator, or creators, nor does it mentioned that they created the main universe. But the scans do say that they created life, so I'm not confident in my view of this.

No not about being creators. They clearly did not create the prime reality. But pre existing the creation event.

Originally posted by "Id"
No not about being creators. They clearly did not create the prime reality. But pre existing the creation event.

I'm just interested in how this fits in with Marvel's continuity and cosmic hierarchy.

As to this this thread, prior to today, I would have gone with Tiamut, but I'm not really sure any more.

Originally posted by "Id"
Yes I read what you said. But no, I don't agree.

They simply attempted to crossover to their reality using the Celestial. They did not anticipate space/time to be extremely stressed, therefore blow a hole in reality thanks to their reality hope.

@Id:

Are scans from X-treme X-Men or Astonishing X-Men?

Originally posted by Diesldude
IMO that's open to interpretation. They shaped creation doesn't make them the creator, or creators, nor does it mention that they created the main universe. But the scans do say that they created life, so I'm not confident in my view of this.