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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Speed - Mace
Strength - Mace
Skill - Mace
Intelligence - Mace
Force Power - Mace
Force Mastery - Mace
Situational Advantage - MaceGee, this is a tough one. 🙄
I'd say Skill is a split. And I'd definitely give both Intelligence and Situational Advantage to Kenobi. But I agree with the rest.
Well, Mace's clarity in the force was supposed to be second only to Yoda, and he's an a lot more experienced council member. And situational advantage goes to Mace, considering that his main form is directly the perfect form for tearing apart Soresu defenses.
And as for skill, Mace could go toe-to-toe with Sidious, and that takes some serious bladework, as Sidious's style is precise and unrelenting, as well as extremely unorthadox.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, Mace's clarity in the force was supposed to be second only to Yoda, and he's an a lot more experienced council member. And situational advantage goes to Mace, considering that his main form is directly the perfect form for tearing apart Soresu defenses.And as for skill, Mace could go toe-to-toe with Sidious, and that takes some serious bladework, as Sidious's style is precise and unrelenting, as well as extremely unorthadox.
Not sure where your getting the "clarity in the force" thing from. If it was all about experience then Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, Adi-Gallia would all be far superior to Kenobi.
The entire Council agrees that Kenobi is the most cunning Master on the Council.
Right. By situational advantage I thought you meant taking advantage of whatever environment they fight in which would probably be Obi-Wan.
I'd say in terms of pure saber skill Kenobi is on par with Mace and even Sidious. But of course Mace and Sidious are stronger and more powerful.
They might disagree on one hand.. but on another they might agree... Afteralll Kenobi is a 8.. not far below a 9 and they had Kenobi defeat a 9. So, while you could be right.. they might also agree with Darth. Anyways, I think Kenobi could last a good amount of time with Mace in pure sabers and maybe even defeat him sometimes... say 3or4/10 but yes overalll Mace would win a dominate majority in all out or force powers.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not sure where your getting the "clarity in the force" thing from. If it was all about experience then Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, Adi-Gallia would all be far superior to Kenobi.The entire Council agrees that Kenobi is the most cunning Master on the Council.
Right. By situational advantage I thought you meant taking advantage of whatever environment they fight in which would probably be Obi-Wan.
I'd say in terms of pure saber skill Kenobi is on par with Mace and even Sidious. But of course Mace and Sidious are stronger and more powerful.
1. It was a wookipedia quote, so the clarity in the force thing may not be reliable. And rememberer, we're talking about experience, not all out. In experience, Mundi may BE the superior.
2. Kenobi notes that Shaak Ti is the most cunning. Your point?
3. Good point.
4. He's an 8, Mace/SIDS are 9s. They're reasonably superior.
Originally posted by Galan007
Gillard(and Lucas) would disagree with you, I think.
The rankings (if that's what your referring to) was overall prowess as a sword fighter. Anakin was a 9 and Kenobi an 8, even though they were equally "skilled."
In fact Gillard even says an 8 can jump up to a 9 by embracing the dark side. So it's clear the difference is in power not skill.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1. It was a wookipedia quote, so the clarity in the force thing may not be reliable. And rememberer, we're talking about experience, not all out. In experience, Mundi may BE the superior.2. Kenobi notes that Shaak Ti is the most cunning. Your point?
3. Good point.
4. He's an 8, Mace/SIDS are 9s. They're reasonably superior.
1. Well in that case I don't think "more" experience amounts to much.
2. That's 1 humble opinion. Kenobi had the opinion of the whole council.
4. See above.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiPer Gillard, the difference between a level 8 and a level 9 is "enormous"--- and clearly there was not an "enormous" difference between Anakin and Kenobi when they battled on Mustafar. If there was a difference, it was marginal at best.
Afteralll Kenobi is a 8.. not far below a 9 and they had Kenobi defeat a 9.
That said, the only logical conclusions are:
a.) Anakin's swordsmanship regressed by the time he fought Kenobi, because all of the guilt/conflict/remorse/doubt he was experiencing(per Lucas) was catching up to him.
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b.) Kenobi's skills somehow massively increased by the end of the film.
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c.) The 'levels' concept is a load of crap that Gillard didn't put much thought into.
Imho, 'option c' seems like the most logical choice. srug
Originally posted by DARTH POWERKnow what's funny about that? Anakin and Kenobi's force powers were identical on Mustafar:
In fact Gillard even says an 8 can jump up to a 9 by embracing the dark side. So it's clear the difference is in power not skill.
So unless Anakin's powers were vastly inferior to Kenobi's prior to turning to the dark side(which was certainly not the case), then his powers weren't really amplified at all upon converting to a Sith. If anything, they regressed.
Originally posted by Galan007
Per Gillard, the difference between a level 8 and a level 9 is "enormous"--- and clearly there was not an "enormous" difference between Anakin and Kenobi when they battled on Mustafar. If there was a difference, it was marginal at best.That said, the only logical conclusions are:
a.) Anakin's swordsmanship regressed by the time he fought Kenobi, because all of the guilt/conflict/remorse/doubt he was experiencing(per Lucas) was catching up to him.
-Or-
b.) Kenobi's skills somehow massively increased by the end of the film.
-Or-
c.) The 'levels' concept is a load of crap that Gillard didn't put much thought into.Imho, 'option c' seems like the most logical choice. srug
Also "option a" makes some sense. After all Anakin turned into a psycho wanting to murder his beloved wife, hardly the best mental state for him to take advantage of his prodigious dueling skills.
Originally posted by Galan007I pretty much agree with those being the logical conclusions and I would a D) Kenobi knew Anakin that well and exploited his mentality and being one of, if not the most cunning masters made up any marginal gap in skill. I personally believe Kenobi did increase his skill and kinda think a little of each could be true of your conclusion.. Who knows I guess.
Per Gillard, the difference between a level 8 and a level 9 is "enormous"--- and clearly there was not an "enormous" difference between Anakin and Kenobi when they battled on Mustafar. If there was a difference, it was marginal at best.That said, the only logical conclusions are:
a.) Anakin's swordsmanship regressed by the time he fought Kenobi, because all of the guilt/conflict/remorse/doubt he was experiencing(per Lucas) was catching up to him.
-Or-
b.) Kenobi's skills somehow massively increased by the end of the film.
-Or-
c.) The 'levels' concept is a load of crap that Gillard didn't put much thought into.Imho, 'option c' seems like the most logical choice. srug
Know what's funny about that? Anakin and Kenobi's force powers were identical on Mustafar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DDSDPZN8zkSo unless Anakin's powers were vastly inferior to Kenobi's prior to turning to the dark side(which was certainly not the case), then his powers weren't really amplified at all upon converting to a Sith. If anything, they regressed.
Originally posted by axel_jovanAs we know.. I do diagree tha Anakin was hugely effected by his mental state.. if anything al lthe rage he had used to empower him. Could his mentality also negatively effect him along with the positive effects he got.. Sure, there is some truth to that being plausible. I just happen to believe it wasn't significant if so.
This.Also "option a" makes some sense. After all Anakin turned into a psycho wanting to murder his beloved wife, hardly the best mental state for him to take advantage of his prodigious dueling skills.