Originally posted by Galan007
If there was an "enormous" difference between them, Anakin would have made short work of Kenobi, regardless of the amount of ground present. I don't think you fully understand what the word "enormous" truly means.enor·mous
marked by extraordinarily great size, number, or degree; especially : exceeding usual bounds or accepted notions.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enormous
Anakin would make short work out of him, if Kenobi fought offensively like Opress against Sidious.
By fighting defensively you can stalemate any opponent regardless of his superiority over you. Because if you constantly move away, opponent will simply unable to attack you effectively.
Regardless, your interpretation of word "enormous" does not nulify the fact that Anakin was given level 9 prowess for this specific fight. We can ignore this word, if you want, it remains the fact that Anakin's performance was "up there with Sidious", when fighting Kenobi.
In any case, if you want to elevate Kenobi to level 9, I am fine with it too, after all he outskilled brothers.
No, they'll still fight. They just won't be able to fight as well as they could without said emotions hindering them.Doubt/conflict/remorse/guilt continuously gnaw away at force users-- not unlike a cancer. This has always been the case throughout any SW media.
It's a matter of what character thinks during the fight. He had remorse of his actions, yet, it wasn't what he was thinking about during the fight. Hatred for Kenobi was all he had on his mind. That's for you to prove, if Anakin had any sence of guilt/conflict/remorse/guilt
during the fight or that his performance was hampered in any way.
So far the only thing novel suggests is that his strength was such that he nearly broke Kenobi's wrists and anger and fury are the only emotions that are mentioned.
Everything implies that Anakin had huge power boost:
Anakin forced him back and back, slamming his blade down with strength that seemed to flow from the volcano overhead. He spun and whirled and sliced razor-sharp shards of steel from the wall and shot them at Obi-Wan with the full heat of his fury.
You act like Anakin wasn't 'tremendously empowered' before he became Vader:"The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike."
"Now, as for Skywalker- Which was as far as Dooku got, because by the time his attention returned to the younger Jedi, his vision was rather completely obstructed by the sole of a boot approaching his face with something resembling terminal velocity."
"There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training."
No, I don't act like he wasn't empowered before becoming Vader, otherwise he wouldn't beat Dooku on two occasions.
Example you provided shows that Anakin was empowered by rage but he still was restraining himself, trying to control his emotions. Darkside Anakin does not try to control his rage, he dropped his restraints entirely, taking full advantage of his fury.
Yet another example that doesn't prove your point. We already knew Anakin/Vader could force push. That quote, however, says nothing of Vader's ability to outdo Kenobi in a force vs. force scenario. Hell, if Vader weren't attempting to defend, Kenobi could bash him against a wall with the force as well.
Ok, then Dooku Force handling Kenobi can also be dismissed, since Kenobi did not attempt to resist. And indeed, that's what Dooku does, he catches opponents offguard, when they are least likely to resist. Imho Dooku wouldn't be able to overpower Kenobi in direct contest.
My point is that, if both characters have equal Force mastery, neither will be able to overpower another even, if power difference is huge.
As example look at fights of Luke and Abeloth. Luke was stalemating her in strength and that's when he stated that she was multiple times more powerful than him. With TK and lightning she couldn't defeat him either. But in every fight Luke was getting exhausted.
Example: Cin Drallig soaked one of Anakin's TK attacks, and proceeded to forcibly throw him out of a window:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfW4vK-Fu1A
(3:15)
^^That's the kind of evidence you need to provide if you want me to believe that Vader's TK was ">>>" Kenobi's.
Imho Cin Drallig demonstrated rare ability of absorbing TK, which was demonstrated only by Corran Horn and Kota, which means that Cin Dralig simply used Anakin's power against him. Or maybe he simply blocked and counter attacked, you can't be sure, when it comes to visual feats.
And I don't get you. Cin Drallig's feat of Force pushing Anakin qualifies but Anakin pushing Kenobi against a wall doesn't? What's the difference?
Good counter.That scene explicitly shows us that, when Vader/Kenobi launch TK attacks simultaneously, they are equal. If Anakin's force power was intended to be superior, he would have gained some sort of ground during that scene-- but that wasn't the case. Ergo: Vader=Kenobi.
Ones again. They got split by explosion. Otherwise Anakin would keep drawing heavier on the Force, while Kenobi would reach his limit at some point.
As example Marek was reaching into the Force deeper and deeper to the point that he managed to move star destroyer. And despite that he couldn't simply overpower other characters and had to engage them in saber combat.
Same for Luke. Despite his superiority, he couldn't simply overpower other equally skilled opponents like Lumiya and had to engage them in saber combat.