Originally posted by h1a8
So in a forum fight Hulk is going to be stupid and allowed Surfer to grab his arm and start draining him?
Hulk won't even try to strike him the moment Surfer is within arms reach? Hulk won't even try to strike Surfer if Surfer somehow miraculously puts his hand on Hulk starting the drain?Think Carv.
What other ways can Surfer beat Hulk?
So the Savage Hulk fights with such intelligence does he?
Originally posted by h1a8
Therefore it's in his character to do.
Show me Surfer doing the tactics you are making up in battle against someone.I already said if he's shown it in midbattle then it's fair game.
Surfer fighting someone and creating black hole near them as a means to win would count towards his character. Even if it's once.
Surfer has mentioned it in a combat sense..
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has mentioned it in a combat sense..
That's not canon
Originally posted by Stoic
So it depends on the situation that each character is in ultimately. This will logically determine how far they would potentially go. Therefore in the future we must stipulate what frame of mind they are in and why, because Cis-less can mean different things to different people.
But only one interpretation of the rules is correct.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has mentioned it in a combat sense..
Great scan. It shows that Surfer, even with CIS off, wouldn't do any of those things. He clearly knows his options, but in character doesn't want to do it.
Good find 👆
How does he beat Hulk without BFR?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, I consider BFR as literal removal i.e. Surfer dumps Hulk in a black hole and he ends up on Sakaar or something silly. Reverting to Banner isn't BFR, in my book.
Ok. Those were two examples, but yes they are old. Admittingly, i'm not up to date on the Hulk as most are on this board so the examples might not even be valid at this point. Characters change week to week it seems. I'm interested in others peoples opinions if Surfer could still do that today, because honestly i'm not 100% certain.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
makes sense. guess i just thought of cis as like a blanket term for all out. not sure why. 😮
It's because of posters like Carv and Stoic not understanding. Then they try to twist speedsters (like Superman) using their speed as being equal to this argument, then accuse everyone else of double standards.
Superman or Flash not using their speed to avoid hits/counterhit isn't CIS - it's PIS.
Surfer not using his PC to open black holes in people's heads or boil their electrons isn't CIS either - it's his character.
So a CIS-off Surfer Vs a CIS-on Superman still isn't going to throw a black hole in his head, but that Superman would be using his speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Correct, because that's covered under Full Capacity.
It's because of posters like Carv and Stoic not understanding. Then they try to twist speedsters (like Superman) using their speed as being equal to this argument, then accuse everyone else of double standards.Superman or Flash not using their speed to avoid hits/counterhit isn't CIS - it's PIS.
Surfer not using his PC to open black holes in people's heads or boil their electrons isn't CIS either - it's his character.So a CIS-off Surfer Vs a CIS-on Superman still isn't going to throw a black hole in his head, but that Superman would be using his speed.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
Now, like Supes wouldnt go killing or ripping limbs off like Galan mentioned, but he -will- blitz the bejesus out of you, overwhelm you, and put you down.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85tbh, Surfer is probably more likely to hit a draining limit than he is to drain Hulks powers at this point.
No, I consider BFR as literal removal i.e. Surfer dumps Hulk in a black hole and he ends up on Sakaar or something silly. Reverting to Banner isn't BFR, in my book.
It used to be fairly common to drain him as a weakness once upon a time, but I have my doubts these days.