CIS-Less Surfer Assault

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think you're moving the goalposts here.

The two posts you made one was trying to say Diana can keep up with Flash to prove her speed. But in reality, Flash is running backwards and still beating Diana.

The other was trying to prove Superman needs to active his superspeed. But in reality, as pointed out by another thread, your scan can't prove it, and quite ironically, it actually hurts your case.

I never said Diana can KEEP up with Flash, I said Flash is faster but she kept up with him which she did, even though again, Flash is faster.

This all started because of bullets, but bullets are held to high standards in DC since most of the JLA doesn't even have the speed to deflect a single shot, even on their best days...

https://ibb.co/dGQcK0y

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Diana can KEEP up with Flash, I said Flash is faster but she kept up with him which she did, even though again, Flash is faster.

This all started because of bullets, but bullets are held to high standards in DC since most of the JLA doesn't even have the speed to deflect a single shot, even on their best days...

https://ibb.co/dGQcK0y

You're saying she can keep up, whilst saying you never said she could keep up?

Wtf lmao.

Also your scan....Black Canary can't, Plastic Man can't, Batman (sad to say) can't....so yeah, MMH is right.

It just says MMH is slow lmao. Note how Flash even retorts that one bullet is ok, but more is doubtful - and no one challenges that assertion.

Great scan, Carverino 😂

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Diana can KEEP up with Flash

Originally posted by carver9
[B]I said Flash is faster but she kept up with him which she did

Originally posted by carver9
[B]she does have running speeds to keep up with attosecond Flash temporarily...

Basically this thread all over again

Originally posted by carver9
High end showings for both. No bfring in this match.

CIP, CIS, PIS, all of it is off. Both contestants is fighting with everything they have at their disposal. This is YOUR controlling both characters abilities. Nothing but high showings here (you can use average showings as well).

Who wins?

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing but high showings here (you can use average showings as well).

Originally posted by Philosophía
Carver logic in a nutshell.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Basically this thread all over again

She's not as fast as Flash, just fast enough to keep pace with a holding back Flash. Full speed Flash leaves everyone in the dust.

She was losing the race.

Keeping pace with a holding back Flash means nothing, dear Carver - and no point in trying to pretend you're ignoring me as everyone can see my responses to your usual idiocy.

Alfred can keep pace with Flash if Flash is holding back, ninny.

I think everyone can agree that, in terms of raw speed, Flash is faster than pretty much any comic book character -- Marvel, DC, Indie, doesn't matter.

So then the question becomes: why is it even a notable feat for Dianna to "keep pace with" a "holding back Flash"..? Because he was clearly just dialing his speed down to roughly her level during that encounter, so how do we even begin to quantify it?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's because of posters like Carv and Stoic not understanding. Then they try to twist speedsters (like Superman) using their speed as being equal to this argument, then accuse everyone else of double standards.

Superman or Flash not using their speed to avoid hits/counterhit isn't CIS - it's PIS.
Surfer not using his PC to open black holes in people's heads or boil their electrons isn't CIS either - it's his character.

So a CIS-off Surfer Vs a CIS-on Superman still isn't going to throw a black hole in his head, but that Superman would be using his speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think everyone can agree that, in terms of raw speed, Flash is faster than pretty much any comic book character -- Marvel, DC, Indie, doesn't matter.

So then the question becomes: why is it even a notable feat for Dianna to "keep pace with" a "holding back Flash"..? Because he was clearly just dialing his speed down to roughly her level during that encounter, so how do we even begin to quantify it?

That's the thing, Flash is ALWAYS holding back, so using him as evidence of speed is just blantely wrong. He's admitted on multiple occasions that he held back against both Diana and Supes.

I only used that scan of Wonder Woman and Flash racing for one reason and one reason only.

Originally posted by carver9
That's the thing, Flash is ALWAYS holding back, so using him as evidence of speed is just blantely wrong. He's admitted on multiple occasions that he held back against both Diana and Supes.

After all, the question(in both threads) is asking the proofs for Diana's speed. And the scan you posted doesn't prove that
Although another point may be whether Superman's superspeed needs to be activated. But this has no relation to Flash holds back.

Originally posted by carver9
I only used that scan of Wonder Woman and Flash racing for one reason and one reason only.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Carver, how do you feel the recent statement for Diana's speed?

Originally posted by carver9
It's a low showing, and even YOU don't believe Diana is slower than bullets. This is a person that has slapped heat vision that was coming from all directions (Amazo) without trouble and someone who has outright blitzed Amazo who had Flash and Superman powers during the time. Based off showings, Diana is the fastest person in comics when it comes to pure reflexes. No one can match her

Originally posted by Galan007
I think everyone can agree that, in terms of raw speed, Flash is faster than pretty much any comic book character -- Marvel, DC, Indie, doesn't matter.

So then the question becomes: why is it even a notable feat for Dianna to "keep pace with" a "holding back Flash"..? Because he was clearly just dialing his speed down to roughly her level during that encounter, so how do we even begin to quantify it?

Tbf that diner scene is also used because it's something only top speedsters really have, i.e. the 'time is frozen' trope.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeStandsStill

So Superman having these kinds of feats is actually pretty impressive, even if Flash has to slow down for him 😉

Can't think of WW having a feat like this, but then I'm no expert.

Originally posted by carver9
That's the thing, Flash is ALWAYS holding back, so using him as evidence of speed is just blantely wrong. He's admitted on multiple occasions that he held back against both Diana and Supes.

He has to hold back way more to go down to Diana's level, than against Supes. Ergo, Supes is faster.

Proof? He never beat Supes whilst casually running backwards, waving with a smile on his face.

Tyson can hold back against two different people. But if he is able to beat one guy by holding back his punches, and he beats the other by tying his arms behind his back, shutting his eyes and standing still, that tells you which of those two guys is a better boxer.

You just want to put Derrick in a cage with horny Tyson... don't you?

Originally posted by Juntai
we’ve see her running down and lassoing Jessie running into the speedforce, so at least in short distance she can match near light speed. That’s enough for just about any encounter besides maybe a maxing out Flash or kryptonian.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Diana and Jesse used a gateway that amped their speed hundredfold.

So 1/100th of the many times the speed of light is still impressive imo.

Originally posted by Juntai
we’ve see her running down and lassoing Jessie running into the speedforce, so at least in short distance she can match near light speed. That’s enough for just about any encounter besides maybe a maxing out Flash or kryptonian.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I noted no-one posted awesome feats for Flash and Invisible Woman. How dare you all.

Why villains fear Central City, how Flash can casually cross dimensions and time (basically impossible to dimensionally/time BFR him whilst he can casually dump his opponent in any time/dimension he wants) and one of his more insane feats - casually running 200 miles in 3 microseconds:

200 miles in 3 microseconds is nearly 360 times the speed of light. And he did it casually, without breaking a sweat, whilst full of pasta, lmao.