Superman and Silver Surfer vs Thor and Loki

Started by JakeTheBank19 pages
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Flash himself is such a PIS induced character. His powerset kind of makes it that way =\

Flash is ridiculously powerful, but even when he goes all out with his speed, he's not unstoppable.

I mean, you have people thinking it would legitimately take Skyfathers if not higher tiered beings to stop him. Guy's powerset is so warped from the actual comics by some people it's sickening.

lmao, let's keep flash out of this conversation please.

And let's not pretend that he wasn't so much faster than Kara that it's crazy. He's trying to peacefully incapacitate her and she's still landing one out of six punches.

So what's the consensus

Most people seem to be leaning toward Team 1 in a tough fight, barring the few misinformed people that don't know what they're talking about.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
barring the few misinformed people that don't know what they're talking about.
who are these 'misinformed' people? 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
who are these 'misinformed' people? 🙄

Trying to white knight them?

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Thor stomping Silver Surfer at least has actually happened in comics.

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Only in the abysmal Blood and Thunder. Thor has never beaten the Surfer in any other story line.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Trying to white knight them?
jake, if you are gonna insult ppl, you should have the guts to name them so they can defend themselves!

Team one wins. Loki is overrated. He's really nothing but Thor's personal whipping boy, much more so than the Surfer ever has been. Unless the magic weakness is really played up, Superman would knock him out just like Thor does. The Surfer would beat him as well.

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, if you are gonna insult ppl, you should have the guts to name them so they can defend themselves!

I've already told the people in question they're wrong and why. You in particular should be used to it.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Loki is overrated. He's really nothing but Thor's personal whipping boy, much more so than the Surfer ever has been.

Considering Loki's feats, that's not true at all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, if you are gonna insult ppl, you should have the guts to name them so they can defend themselves!

What insult?

An astral form of Loki from another universe away had Strange cowering...

There's no "weak" links here. There's just one team ever the slighter more powerful.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What insult?
are you like jake's dingleberry or something...it's like you always appear when Im debating him lol

he's calling ppl misinformed (including me)...yet I haven't made one misinformed statement in this thread

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
An astral form of Loki from another universe away had Strange cowering...

There's no "weak" links here. There's just one team ever the slighter more powerful.

I can agree with this.

People who think Loki is weak or someone who can easily be dispatched by either Surfer or Superman are crazy or don't know what Loki has done or is capable of.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he's calling ppl misinformed (including me)...yet I haven't made one misinformed statement in this thread

😂

If Thor can tag a top speed Superman, it would require that his limbs are moving at well over lightspeed+. Which would imply he could move his legs nearly as fast, since arms and legs move in proportion to each other speed wise.

In the time it takes you to punch, you can also take a step forward.

Hence, super speed reflexes do not exist without super speed in the first place. Otherwise its like saying your muscles can move thousands upon thousands of times faster than your own...muscles.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Read the damn panel. He makes it perfectly clear Spidey was anticipating his attacks. It wasn't through sheer speed at all.

WTF are you talking about? It was just speed which was emphasized when he was blitzing him.

Sure Thor said that his attack was missed as if spidey knew the attack coming but that's not the part of the blitz. When he started blitzing masterson commented that he's pouring on speed and not that he was anticipating his attacks. The whole notion of blitzing through spider-sense is absurd, Irene Adler can know about attacks before they happen. Doesn't mean she can blitz someone.

He couldn't use those powers as effectively as the real Thor.
Speed isn't something you have to master.
And yet still reacted to an attempted speed blitz by Gladiator.
Batman has done that too, to Flash himself. Doesn't mean much.

No they've maneuvered around the big brute.
Spidey and wolverine both have blitzed hulk.
Hulk has been clearly depicted recently as having speedster type speed.
You mean that blurry leap? He's shown that since 60's.
It's something he's always had. And Thor's always been at least as fast as him. In fact he's usually been faster than Hulk in their punch ups.
That only happened once in JIM 112. Hulk isn't faster than spidey or logan. That's just not true.

Now I'm not claiming they are close to Superman in speed. But definitely a heck of a lot faster than Spiderman and Wolverine.
Not if we compare their speed.

Originally posted by Starscream M
are you like jake's dingleberry or something...it's like you always appear when Im debating him lol

he's calling ppl misinformed (including me)...yet I haven't made one misinformed statement in this thread

Do I need to remind you of the post where you basically accused Jake of claiming that Thor hitting Wolverine was proof that he'd be able to hit Superman?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
thats not the argument...people tend to forget that mjolnir can respond to thors thought and since it can move ftl the well there u have it. but like Placidity said, Marvel isnt hung up on superspeed like DC is so very few heralds have speed feats like their counters. IMO he can negate any blitz attempt from Clark.

You don't know WTF you are talking about.