Orion VS Hulk

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Hercules is physically as strong as Thor, there you go.

Proof is the arm wrestle that was knocking the earth around, after a long time with no winner they finally gave up

Someone must have that scan of Hulk from Heroes Reborn, where a whole universe - literally - flows through him and he's perfectly fine afterwards??

Hulk's had insane feats in the past, but many here hate them and tend to downplay the character. There's been a change, ofcourse, hence many rather than most, but now people have cooled down and are revisiting Hulk's most recent collection of outlandish feats and slowly making their peace with the simple and unalterable fact that has been since Marvel birthed Hulk: Hulk Is The Strongest One There Is!

(yeah, that was a little triumphalist, but I remember making most of these points 5 years ago and again during WWH and many times afterwards ...)

Pak's just reiterated and condensed down into a single series of inter-locking arcs, a modest collection of Hulk's higher end abilities. I say modest because, HOTM aside, everything else has in the past been topped by Savage Hulk. Everything.

If I'm recalling the Heroes Reborn feat correctly, I suspect even HOTM would be a lesser feat in comparison.

Originally posted by 753
👆 if you ask me, benchpressing the earth for 5 days is retarded fan service, but SM sure as hell did it. same goes for hal controlling abstracts now, it's a shit story, but even I'll accept this particular portrayal puts him above Silver Surfer.

Oh, I agree.

At least Pak's feats have story purposes, instead of being done for the sake of being done. And Hercs universeal press beats a mere planetary press. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats why I have always accepted everything. It's the only fair way otherwise people pick and choose what applies. If people think everything in comics adds up they have another thing coming.

So since Sentry lost to Hulk, you accept WWH > Sentry? 😈

Originally posted by 753
the measurements are legitimate. writer intent was clear and undeniable. both the measurments and the calculations were presented in the comic as factual truth, not made by posters like h1a8.

nowhere does it say, one of hulk's punches equals 133 of hercules's. hulk's innards tanked a force 133 times greater than herc's strongest punch.

Orion killed Darkseid right? How can he not kill Hulk?

Originally posted by janus77
Someone must have that scan of Hulk from Heroes Reborn, where a whole universe - literally - flows through him and he's perfectly fine afterwards??

Hulk's had insane feats in the past, but many here hate them and tend to downplay the character. There's been a change, ofcourse, hence many rather than most, but now people have cooled down and are revisiting Hulk's most recent collection of outlandish feats and slowly making their peace with the simple and unalterable fact that has been since Marvel birthed Hulk: Hulk Is The Strongest One There Is!

(yeah, that was a little triumphalist, but I remember making most of these points 5 years ago and again during WWH and many times afterwards ...)

Pak's just reiterated and condensed down into a single series of inter-locking arcs, a modest collection of Hulk's higher end abilities. I say modest because, HOTM aside, everything else has in the past been topped by Savage Hulk. Everything.

If I'm recalling the Heroes Reborn feat correctly, I suspect even HOTM would be a lesser feat in comparison.

Wasn't Hulk dying during Heroes Return?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Wasn't Hulk dying during Heroes Return?

Hulk was the nexus and conduit for their escape, iirc, and as a result the second universe was flowing right through him in order for Reed and co to escape.

Vague (and likely inaccurate) recollection, read/scanned over the comics years ago.

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Orion killed Darkseid right? How can he not kill Hulk?

Originally posted by cdtm

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What is contradictory under the same writer is that He is portraying Hulk's guts capable of tanking 133 hercs.

But apparently Hulk's head can only tank one herc with out visiting the ground.

Seriously I should just take Pak's word and forget anything that has been shown to me before after all that is canon now 😕

Sometimes I feel Pak troll the boards as Carver 😛

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What is contradictory under the same writer is that He is portraying Hulk's guts capable of tanking 133 hercs.

But apparently Hulk's head can only tank one herc with out visiting the ground.

Seriously I should just take Pak's word and forget anything that has been shown to me before after all that is canon now 😕

The same arc in which Thing went toe to toe with Hulk, the same arc in which time and time again Amadeus Cho (speaking for the writer) went to lengths to explain that Hulk was ALWAYS holding back and pulling his punches.

No matter how strong Hulk is, if he's hit hard enough, he will fall over, he doesn't have some kind of gravity cancelling power, he can topple.

Hell, Thing toppled Galactus! And Hercules' feat above means just as much as Thing's feat against Galactus.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What is contradictory under the same writer is that He is portraying Hulk's guts capable of tanking 133 hercs.

But apparently Hulk's head can only tank one herc with out visiting the ground.

Seriously I should just take Pak's word and forget anything that has been shown to me before after all that is canon now 😕

Sometimes I feel Pak troll the boards as Carver 😛

What if I said "Superman lifted Earth weights but after this showing, he has only shown mountain level punches". Does that discredit the ft or does that Superman lifting ft still belong to him? Also, "Herc surprised attacked him...whats so hard to understand?

By the way, I'm not discrediting the Superman ft because it belong to him...trying to prove a point.

You are discrediting Superman's feat. You dirty moda ****a! You are now reported. PR will handle the banning.

SEE YOU IN HELL! uhuh

Originally posted by Zack Fair
You are discrediting Superman's feat. You dirty moda ****a! You are now reported. PR will handle the banning.

SEE YOU IN HELL! uhuh

😂

Naah, I love the ft and Superman is well deserving of it.

Now its about time for Thor to crush/push a planet.

Originally posted by carver9
What if I said "Superman lifted Earth weights but after this showing, he has only shown mountain level punches". Does that discredit the ft or does that Superman lifting ft still belong to him? Also, "Herc surprised attacked him...whats so hard to understand?

By the way, I'm not discrediting the Superman ft because it belong to him...trying to prove a point.

Using the words "mountain level punches" is factually inaccurate, so your example doesn't really hold up.

Isn't current hulk dumb again? I know Orion isn't the smartest guy but in a fight isn't he supposed to be rather skilled and knowledgable, Couldn't that factor in at all

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Isn't current hulk dumb again? I know Orion isn't the smartest guy but in a fight isn't he supposed to be rather skilled and knowledgable, Couldn't that factor in at all

How would that prevent Hulk from not knowing to punch Orion into a dream world?

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Isn't current hulk dumb again? I know Orion isn't the smartest guy but in a fight isn't he supposed to be rather skilled and knowledgable, Couldn't that factor in at all

Even "dumb" is relative, Hulk isn't like DD or Grundy or Juggernaut, he uses cunning and he adapts to his opponent's tactics pretty rapidly. Check out the recent fights underwater.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Using the words "mountain level punches" is factually inaccurate, so your example doesn't really hold up.

LOL...dang Zack, did you really report me?