Orion VS Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
So Rao can accept Superman planet lifting ft but he can't accept Hulk 133 Hercs? Gotcha.

Also, 1 Herc has planetary strength.

Is not about that, is about how funny is Pak by measuring something on "Hercs" specially knowing how Pak was a a Hulk reader when growing up and how Herc is often portrayed as a clown.

But hey if Pak is allowed to say that Hulk's lungs are 133 times as strong as Herc, then, what can I say.

Now I do not believe that according to Pak, Hercules is planet level.

Just look at his portrayal of someone releasing the power of "1 million exploding suns" which of course is a hyperbole, but if Pak sees and portrays the "most" powerful superhero on the planet only capable of destroying a few blocks in Manhattan, then I understand why He might believe Hulk is 133 stronger than Hercules. IMO.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Pak's Hercules is plenty strong. Had him hold up Atlas' weight casually and embarass Sentry for example. Definitely an elite Top Tier strength wise.

There is a similar response to this as well, about how Pak sees what a top tier is capable of.

Just to give one example there is a writer who portrays the Hulk being defeated by snake, which in turn is the same writer who portrays Superman as being capable of cooling off a white dwarf star. withstand world wide mental control or the core of a star.

According to that writer Superman is billions of times more powerful than the Hulk and that is a direct comparison made by the same person on canon comics on their respective universes. I think is Paul Jenkins, IIRC.

Weather us reader will accept that or call it bad writing is up to us.

Knowing how Pak considers other heroes compared to the Hulk, like someone said before is probably a matter of time before some one retcons this.

But hopefully this wont turn into another Hulk is more powerful than Dormammu or Umar thing.

Originally posted by 753
soon to be followed by the batcock

Then throws Supes away and grabs Thor. Right in the Assgardian.

Batman is a man among men. Leader among leaders. Hero among heroes. Homo among homos

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think is Paul Jenkins, IIRC.

Correction is Joe Casey.

Btw, I think direct comparisons are good as long as it has context. but as good as anything in comics, because some writers might display characters ubber powerful while diminishing others relatively.

@Rao...

In the same book that you are trying to use as evidence of power levels, it was stated that Sentry would have destroyed the planet, not just some city blocks. Also, its bad using collateral damage as evidence. Also, lol, you can't ignore a history of a character to downplay fts...Herc is planetary and physically a high Herald....even under Pak eyes.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Weather us reader will accept that or call it bad writing is up to us.

Originally posted by 753
we are to do both, because the feat is what it is.

👆 if you ask me, benchpressing the earth for 5 days is retarded fan service, but SM sure as hell did it. same goes for hal controlling abstracts now, it's a shit story, but even I'll accept this particular portrayal puts him above Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by 753
👆 if you ask me, benchpressing the earth for 5 days is retarded fan service, but SM sure as hell did it. same goes for hal controlling abstracts now, it's a shit story, but even I'll accept this particular portrayal puts him above Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
@Rao...

In the same book that you are trying to use as evidence of power levels, it was stated that Sentry would have destroyed the planet, not just some city blocks. Also, its bad using collateral damage as evidence. Also, lol, you can't ignore a history of a character to downplay fts...Herc is planetary and physically a high Herald....even under Pak eyes.

Tbh, I Dont recall seing Herc portayed at those power levels.

As for Sentry, I also dont remember other than probably some lip service.

Originally posted by 753
we are to do both, because the feat is what it is.

If Pak believes Hulk lungs are 133 times stronger than Herc, then we take that as face value and see how that fares with history.

I think is silly, but it is what it is. Is on panel and is canon. What will be useful to know, is exactly what can herc achive with a single punch on paks eyes to quantify it.

So Superman is Billions of times stronger than marvel Heralds?

Wouldnt that also make Black Adam billions of times stronger than thor?

How is every fight not spite???

Originally posted by 753
👆 if you ask me, benchpressing the earth for 5 days is retarded fan service, but SM sure as hell did it. same goes for hal controlling abstracts now, it's a shit story, but even I'll accept this particular portrayal puts him above Silver Surfer.

I agree and there is no way around it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I agree and there is no way around it.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Tbh, I Dont recall seing Herc portayed at those power levels.

As for Sentry, I also dont remember other than probably some lip service.

Don't know why...the guy almost knocked a planet off course just by arm wresting...held up a universe, pulled an entire state, etc, etc... That's the reason his strength was being used by that doctor...because Herc is suppose to be the embodiment of strength.

What else did you expect Pak to do with a Sentry unleashing on EARTH? Destroy a non fodder planet? Pak clearly stated that Sentry was unleashing his power of a million exploding suns. He also stated that Sentry would have destroyed Earth if his rampage continued. Pak knows power levels, its up to you to accept all fts instead of hand picking what you want to accept. If someone denied the Superman ft, you'll be the main one saying someone is lowballing the character.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
So Superman is Billions of times stronger than marvel Heralds?

Wouldnt that also make Black Adam billions of times stronger than thor?

How is every fight not spite???

According to Joe Casey, yes.

Originally posted by cdtm

🤣

Get madder. You will just fuel me

Hercules is physically as strong as Thor, there you go.

Proof is the arm wrestle that was knocking the earth around, after a long time with no winner they finally gave up

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why...the guy almost knocked a planet off course just by arm wresting...held up a universe, pulled an entire state, etc, etc... That's the reason his strength was being used by that doctor...because Herc is suppose to be the embodiment of strength.

What else did you expect Pak to do with a Sentry unleashing on EARTH? Destroy a non fodder planet? Pak clearly stated that Sentry was unleashing his power of a million exploding suns. He also stated that Sentry would have destroyed Earth if his rampage continued. Pak knows power levels, its up to you to accept all fts instead of hand picking what you want to accept. If someone denied the Superman ft, you'll be the main one saying someone is lowballing the character.

If you read my response to 753 I said "there is no way around it"

But according to Pak what is Herc capable of doing with a single punch, so that feat is quantified, with something more substantial than an "herc"

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Hercules is physically as strong as Thor, there you go.

Proof is the arm wrestle that was knocking the earth around, after a long time with no winner they finally gave up

Was that under Pak?

I think I better look for the answer by myself as no one has been able to say EXACTLY what herc is capable with a single punch under Pak.

The maximum amount of energy Hercules has displayed in a single blow in a Pak comic will give you how much Pak might think is an herc.