Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSpoiler:
But that big Kryptonian got the better of Superman in their exchange, why would he be weaker?Sensory overload was definitely mentally painful like a nasty headache but didn't the missile straight up knock her out? Action scenes kind of blurring at this point.
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Because he was. The kryptonian was still capable of hurting Kal-El, not arguing that he was not. Kal-El had been soaking yellow radiaton for 3 decades. And there is also the little gem of Krypton's decoded/decipher/whatever it was called being in him. However arguing that would just be guestimates so I'll leave it out.The headache put Zod on his ass. I assume getting hit by a missile while experiencing this pain can KO her?
We saw the collateral damage Superman's blows were causing. He can hit much harder than the missile explosion and Zod was taking those blows like it was nothing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Kryptonians are pretty strong,Spoiler:
Zod and Superman were tearing through buildings but so was the Leviathan and Hulk one-shot punched it casually.
Superman would be capable of doing the same. IMHO.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou mean the mjolnir blows that didn't put Iron Man nor Hulk down? He will feel them all right. I think the kryptonians punch harder though.
Alright thanks.Spoiler:
And didn't the refinery explosion knock out Superman?Not sure why people think he can't be hurt or taken out. Mjolnir and Hulk's fists would not be something he wants to get hit by.
Originally posted by Zack FairAnd Surfer only actively grabbed Johnny and brought him to the upper atmosphere. We saw no effort to alter him
Superman's source of powers is different from Johny's though.So basically speculation puts Superman down?
All right.
But, as is Doom's. That didn't stop Surfer from disintegrating and recreating him instantly as well as healing his entire body with a blast
The only effort we saw Surfer expend was in the Galactus part, and we only saw both in one movie. Of course there's going to be speculation.
Surfer was also casually putting huge holes in the Earth that went quite deep. IIRC this was for Galactus's tentacles to reach the core, but that might be me making shit up.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Chitauri?He'd easily beat the utter shit out of the foot soldiers and probably just fly through the Leviathans with minimal trouble, if any. Perhaps a bunch of concentrated fire would drop him for a bit, but he's fast and was actively using said speed during the movie.
Physically, he's going to barrel through everyone here.
The only real shot for the team is telepathy, assuming they could perform a mind rape before Superman attacked them.
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There was a scene where they used Kryptonian tech to shift through his mind and Kal couldn't prevent it, though to be fair, he was in the atmosphere of Zod's ship, which was weakening him. So I guess it depends if you think his mental defenses would be strong enough to repel outside influence if he was fully powered.
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This was by far better than Iron Man 3, I put Man of Steel #1 and Star Trek #2 as movies of the summer. The fighting scenes were the bomb, I can really see Superman and Darkseid, Brianiac, Mongul fight scenes etc. Im goint to see it again in Imax!!!!
Originally posted by Zack FairSpoiler:
Because he was. The kryptonian was still capable of hurting Kal-El, not arguing that he was not. Kal-El had been soaking yellow radiaton for 3 decades. And there is also the little gem of Krypton's decoded/decipher/whatever it was called being in him. However arguing that would just be guestimates so I'll leave it out.The headache put Zod on his ass. I assume getting hit by a missile while experiencing this pain can KO her?
We saw the collateral damage Superman's blows were causing. He can hit much harder than the missile explosion and Zod was taking those blows like it was nothing.
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I don't remember anything making him explicitly more powerful then other Kryptonians.Seriously, the guy who was taken out literally got the better of Superman in their exchange. If Superman has any advantage, it's a minor one.
Maybe. She'd be more vulnerable but it definitely shows that they can be hurt and taken out with sufficient force. Pretty much inline with what we've seen before.
I guess they're different types of damage? Like I said, the collateral damage was the more impressive part but I think it's pretty clear that higher caliber military weapons can and would take them out.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSo?
And Surfer only actively grabbed Johnny and brought him to the upper atmosphere. We saw no effort to alter him
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSuperman > Doom.
But, as is Doom's. That didn't stop Surfer from disintegrating and recreating him instantly as well as healing his entire body with a blast
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftTrue that.
The only effort we saw Surfer expend was in the Galactus part, and we only saw both in one movie. Of course there's going to be speculation.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Kryptonians are pretty strong,Spoiler:
Zod and Superman were tearing through buildings but so was the Leviathan and Hulk one-shot punched it casually.
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Yes, and Superman was also ko'd by the laser gun, the tower on the ship, and was taking a beating and losing against Faora and henchman. Yes, I agree Hulk's feat was far more impressive at it was with relative ease.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman would be capable of doing the same. IMHO.You mean the mjolnir blows that didn't put Iron Man nor Hulk down? He will feel them all right. I think the kryptonians punch harder though.
Casually like Hulk did? I don't see it but maybe that's just me.
Iron Man got hit with one back-hand IIRC and it rocked the shit out of him. Not to mention Thor wanted him to stand down for most of the fight But I digress, Iron Man's plenty tough, probably not far off from Kryptonians if we use military weapons as a bench mark.
Then Hulk or Mjolnir (Lightning charged anyway)? Nah.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSpoiler:
I don't remember anything making him explicitly more powerful then other Kryptonians.Seriously, the guy who was taken out literally got the better of Superman in their exchange. If Superman has any advantage, it's a minor one.
Maybe. She'd be more vulnerable but it definitely shows that they can be hurt and taken out with sufficient force. Pretty much inline with what we've seen before.
I guess they're different types of damage? Like I said, the collateral damage was the more impressive part but I think it's pretty clear that higher caliber military weapons can and would take them out.
These kryptonians are more skilled than Thor and Hulk and Kal while wer're at it. Faora was pretty much humiliating Superman.
The one thing that everyone seems to be ignoring is how Superman used his super speed almost all the time.
Not saying Kryptonians cannot be KOed. Just saying the instance in which she got knocked out is very conflicting and hard to properly gauge. Superman and Zod were punching each other through skycrappers.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
These kryptonians are more skilled than Thor and Hulk. Faora was pretty much humiliating Superman.The one thing that everyone seems to be ignoring is how Superman used his super speed almost all the time.
Then Thor? Nah. Hulk? Yea but he doesn't need skill.
Yeah, he had those powerful bursts of combat speed which is really the only possible way I can see him beating the line-up. Once you throw in Surfer though, game over brah. Way more powerful than any of them.
Originally posted by Zack FairHis encounter with Surfer alone gave him the ability to straight up take the entire F4's powers. You mean to tell me that Surfer actually trying has no precedent for taking Superman's power?
So?
Superman > Doom.
True that.
And the casual ease of disintegrating someone who took a "nova" blast and lived, all the while while recreating and healing him can't be ignored. Although it doesn't sound like Superman's durability is much higher if any than Doom's...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Casually like Hulk did? I don't see it but maybe that's just me.Iron Man got hit with one back-hand IIRC and it rocked the shit out of him. Not to mention Thor wanted him to stand down for most of the fight But I digress, Iron Man's plenty tough, probably not far off from Kryptonians if we use military weapons as a bench mark.
Then Hulk or Mjolnir (Lightning charged anyway)? Nah.
And yet Iron Man took a MJOLNIR throw to the chest and was fine. That backhand would not even register to Superman IMO. It would send him flying, don't get me wrong.
LOL@Iron man not being far off from Superman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusFaora's HTH skills > Thor and Hulk. Not to mention her super speed was in full display. These kryptonians have been genetically altered and bred for combat.
Then Thor? Nah. Hulk? Yea but he doesn't need skill.Yeah, he had those powerful bursts of combat speed which is really the only possible way I can see him beating the line-up. Once you throw in Surfer though, game over brah. Way more powerful than any of them.
Originally posted by Zack FairNo, they are not more skilled than Thor. They are fast but Thors skill is legendary and despite being powerless he was crushing trained humans in combat. A depowered Superman isn't skilled at all.
These kryptonians are more skilled than Thor and Hulk and Kal while wer're at it.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His encounter with Surfer alone gave him the ability to straight up take the entire F4's powers. You mean to tell me that Surfer actually trying has no precedent for taking Superman's power?And the casual ease of disintegrating someone who took a "nova" blast and lived, all the while while recreating and healing him can't be ignored. Although it doesn't sound like Superman's durability is much higher if any than Doom's...
Yes I am. It is quite possible the reason Surfer was able to cause such a dynamic was because of cosmic nature of the FF's powers.
LoL@Superman's durability not being much higher than Doom's.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
And yet Iron Man took a MJOLNIR throw to the chest and was fine. That backhand would not even register to Superman IMO.LOL@Iron man not being far off from Superman.
That he did, but like I said, Thor was definitely holding back against Stark. At least imo.
Probably. Besides, Iron Man is crazy tough not sure why you think that's a knock. Did you see how he took those Hellicarrier blades in stride? He also withstood the Jet machine gun fire, a tank missile etc. pretty easily in his first movie which is shit that would hurt Kryptonians based on what we've seen. At least they'd take notice.
His individual pieces of armor are obviously not on the level of Kryptonian skin though. Thor was crushing his arm.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yes I am. It is quite possible the reason Surfer was able to cause such a dynamic was because of cosmic nature of the FF's powers.LoL@Superman's durability not being much higher than Doom's.
I remember Doom shrugging off almost everything the Fantastic Four was throwing at them.
IIRC he took John's full Nova flame until they cooled him off. Definitely on the level of Kryptonians.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That he did, but like I said, Thor was definitely holding back against Stark. At least imo.Iron Man is crazy tough not sure why you think that's a knock. Did you see how he took those Hellicarrier blades in stride? He also withstood the Jet machine gun fire, a tank missile etc. pretty easily which is shit that would hurt Kryptonians based on what we've seen.
His individual pieces of armor are obviously not on the level of Kryptonian skin though. Thor was crushing his arm.
I agree Thor was holding back against Iron Man. He will probably hold back against Superman.
I don't know man. I find it crazy because Superman was crashing through mountains, buildings, falling from space while fighting Zod and took a beam that was terraforming Earth and destroying Metropolis while he was getting weak by the continued exposure to the atmosphere.