i thought it was incredible. i found the contrast between the batman movies and this one very well realized. superman SHOULD be performing feats of the type he did. he was majestic in the movie. hell, he was even 33 when he started! lol no accident that age given the heavily implied god complex. i had the feel that a single kryptonian could have destroyed the world--and they have been able to. i loved the simple effects--floor falls out beneath him and he simply floats, the scene where he met the army and floated before them, the way he seemed to so rarely touch the ground. he came across as far more 'godly' than thor has in the movies. i also liked the way they played up the alien aspect. could have been more characterization, for certain, and i'm still not sold on the actress who played lois, but the story is soooo well known already that yet another origin story where he fights some human thugs would have been quite a let down imo. it was a summer movie and served its purpose perfectly imo. it does beg the question--where the hell do they go for a second one??
given the speed he displayed and the willingness to bfr, the avengers would have utter hell taking him down.....
He utterly beats the Avengers, as they were not impressive at all.
But neither was this Superman. His feats were meh. I would argue that Hulk from Avengers was nearly as strong, since this Superman struggled to hold up a oil rig tower.
His speed was...ok. Its enough to overwhelm the Avengers as they have no speed feats whatsoever, but you guys saying that that's how CIS-less kryptonians would fight? No. A CIS-less Superman would never worry about bullets, one, he would never feel them, and two, they would be frozen in place to him when he's operating at top speed.
Nothing was frozen to these guys, they just moved in short bursts of speed, and flew long distances which didn't really require great reflexes as it was over vast stretches and they could see their destinations well ahead of time. True Super Speed isn't the feeling of you moving fast, its the feeling that everything else is moving slow. Smallville got that part completely right with 'Clark time', this movie with a far bigger budget, didn't seem to get that same aspect.
Movie Surfer alone can beat this Superman. He tanked a planet sized blast that he himself created.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He utterly beats the Avengers, as they were not impressive at all.But neither was this Superman. His feats were meh. I would argue that Hulk from Avengers was nearly as strong, since this Superman struggled to hold up a oil rig tower.
His speed was...ok. Its enough to overwhelm the Avengers as they have no speed feats whatsoever, but you guys saying that that's how CIS-less kryptonians would fight? No. A CIS-less Superman would never worry about bullets, one, he would never feel them, and two, they would be frozen in place to him when he's operating at top speed.
Nothing was frozen to these guys, they just moved in short bursts of speed, and flew long distances which didn't really require great reflexes as it was over vast stretches and they could see their destinations well ahead of time. True Super Speed isn't the feeling of you moving fast, its the feeling that everything else is moving slow. Smallville got that part completely right with 'Clark time', this movie with a far bigger budget, didn't seem to get that same aspect.
Movie Surfer alone can beat this Superman. He tanked a planet sized blast that he himself created.
Did we watch the same movie?
I think Superman creating sonic booms with the force of his punches > Hulk(sans perhaps the leviathan buster punch)
CISless Superman would use his speed to his advantage. And he did this the entire movie. Movie Superman is obviously not as powerful as his comic book counterpart.
Superman didn't feel the bullets. There is a part where the military is firing at him and Gimped Kryptonian while they were fighting and the bullets never registered.
These kryptonians were actively dodging each other's bullrushes. Faora herself dominated Kal when she went HTH with him in that building where Pete Ross was.
Originally posted by CosmicCometThis isn't comic book Superman... so him not having comic book levels of speed isn't a problem for me. Just as it isn't a problem for me that Movie Thor isn't able to crack planets with his blows.
He utterly beats the Avengers, as they were not impressive at all.But neither was this Superman. His feats were meh. I would argue that Hulk from Avengers was nearly as strong, since this Superman struggled to hold up a oil rig tower.
His speed was...ok. Its enough to overwhelm the Avengers as they have no speed feats whatsoever, but you guys saying that that's how CIS-less kryptonians would fight? No. A CIS-less Superman would never worry about bullets, one, he would never feel them, and two, they would be frozen in place to him when he's operating at top speed.
Nothing was frozen to these guys, they just moved in short bursts of speed, and flew long distances which didn't really require great reflexes as it was over vast stretches and they could see their destinations well ahead of time. True Super Speed isn't the feeling of you moving fast, its the feeling that everything else is moving slow. Smallville got that part completely right with 'Clark time', this movie with a far bigger budget, didn't seem to get that same aspect.
Movie Surfer alone can beat this Superman. He tanked a planet sized blast that he himself created.
After seeing the movie I think Superman can beat the Avengers I don't think it's a stomp in favor of Superman. It's definitely an uphill battle for the Avengers in the entire time but I think they could at least make it a fight for a period of time before getting overwhelmed. Honestly while Superman is superior physically the only reason I think he could take a fight from Thor and Hulk together is due to speed which Superman was fast.
Superman vs Silver Surfer is a tough one to me. Surfer has the best feat of the bunch depending on how you look at his Galactus destruction feat that's probably the closest you will get to a Reeves Superman feat in this day and age.
Phoenix could also probably give him at least some trouble.
I mean I think Superman vs Surfer is a toss up at this point. It really becomes Surfer's exotic nature vs Superman's physical might.
Originally posted by Newjak👆
This isn't comic book Superman... so him not having comic book levels of speed isn't a problem for me. Just as it isn't a problem for me that Movie Thor isn't able to crack planets with his blows.After seeing the movie I think Superman can beat the Avengers I don't think it's a stomp in favor of Superman. It's definitely an uphill battle for the Avengers in the entire time but I think they could at least make it a fight for a period of time before getting overwhelmed. Honestly while Superman is superior physically the only reason I think he could take a fight from Thor and Hulk together is due to speed which Superman was fast.
Superman vs Silver Surfer is a tough one to me. Surfer has the best feat of the bunch depending on how you look at his Galactus destruction feat that's probably the closest you will get to a Reeves Superman feat in this day and age.
Phoenix could also probably give him at least some trouble.
I mean I think Superman vs Surfer is a toss up at this point. It really becomes Surfer's exotic nature vs Superman's physical might.
Originally posted by Zack FairHe also struggled a few times with weight. The Sonic Booms were cool. His speed was good but human beings were still able to tag The Krptonains with their weapons.
Did we watch the same movie?I think Superman creating sonic booms with the force of his punches > Hulk(sans perhaps the leviathan buster punch)
CISless Superman would use his speed to his advantage. And he did this the entire movie. Movie Superman is obviously not as powerful as his comic book counterpart.
Superman didn't feel the bullets. There is a part where the military is firing at him and Gimped Kryptonian and the bullets never registered.
These kryptonians were actively dodging each other's bullrushes. Faora herself dominated Kal when she went HTH with him in that building where Pete Ross was.
Also the guns from that human warship were able to knock down the giant one and a missile from it did seem to KO Faora.
That big Kryptonian FELT the jet's bullets, they pushed him back and he grunted. Superman even actively tried to get out of their line of fire.
This Superman's speed was not impressive at all.
Smallville Superman had great speed, and representative of a CIS-Less Superman. I'm not even convinced that this Superman could stand in one spot and catch a bullet if it was fired 5 feet from him.
Smallville Kal was also able to do feats of heroism without actually revealing himself to anyone, he was fast enough to do them without registering to their vision, yet no one seemed to have a tough time seeing this Kal with their own naked eyes.
Originally posted by CosmicCometAgreed about the big guy feeling it.
That big Kryptonian FELT the jet's bullets, they pushed him back and he grunted. Superman even got out of the WAY of them.This Superman's speed was not impressive at all.
Smallville Superman had great speed, and representative of a CIS-Less Superman. I'm not even convinced that this Superman could stand in one spot and catch a bullet if it was fired 5 feet from him.
Smallville Kal was also able to do feats of heroism without actually revealing himself to anyone, yet no one seemed to have a tough time seeing this Kal with their own naked eyes.
His speed was impressive it just wasn't oh my god speed which honestly probably was more a story decision to keep them of being too overpowered to write a good human cooperation point in the story.
Originally posted by NewjakYes he struggled with the tower. Not denying that.
He also struggled a few times with weight. The Sonic Booms were cool. His speed was good but human beings were still able to tag The Krptonains with their weapons.Also the guns from that human warship were able to knock down the giant one and a missile from it did seem to KO Faora.
Faora was under the pain of the sensory overload. This same overload made Zod drop to the ground helpless literally seconds after he had just shrugged off getting his head pummeled into the ground at high speeds, crash through 2 buildings and an exploding gas station.
Originally posted by NewjakI agree. I am not claiming Kal-El was FTl or anything like that.
Agreed about the big guy feeling it.His speed was impressive it just wasn't oh my god speed which honestly probably was more a story decision to keep them of being too overpowered to write a good human cooperation point in the story.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
These kryptonians were actively dodging each other's bullrushes. Faora herself dominated Kal when she went HTH with him in that building where Pete Ross was.
I'm sorry, but are you trying to say something positive about Clark here? You realize that you aren't I hope?
What does them being able to tag each other represent anyway? Physical equals can tag each other. Dodging bum rushes, represents what? Telegraphed from a several feet away, with no notable speed.
These guys were visible to humans, and able to be tagged by humans from pure sight. Their speed was utter shit compared to how it was in Smallville, let alone the comics.
This was not a 'CIS-less' Superman as would be represented in a forum fight. 'CIS-less' Superman would be fighting Zod while the entire world is seemingly frozen around them, that is, every punch they land, the subsequent debris would not seem to be falling to them because their frame of time is so much faster that gravity does not seem to be fast enough to visibly move.
Where your logic loses me is when you claim CISLESS SUperman would fight Zod at SS and it would seem like everything is frozen.
Do you realize how flawed the logic is? What if *Gasp* Superman's speed in the movie was not at the "everything is frozen to me" level. What if that was his top speed? Is he under the influcence of character induced STUPIDITY because he can't reach that level?