Superman(Man of Steel) vs Marvel

Originally posted by Newjak
Reeves and Smallville Superman aren't in this thread. That would be like me being like well yeah Movie Thor loses but Rune King Thor spite stomps in this thread. Adding him to the discussion is not topic pertinent and neither is bringing up the speed of characters that don't pertain to it. They don't effect the outcome.

Jesus christ. You're not adding a single bit of sense in your appraisals to my posts. Take the time, to understand.

No one said they were in this thread. No one asked them to be included in this thread to change the outcome. I put them in as a show of comparison of how low this Superman is on the live action totem pole.

I said from the beginning already that this Superman loses to someone like Movie Surfer without any mention of those guys.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
In a soap opera live tv show? lol

Surfer was not that impressive in the movie, I did not realize he was held in such high regard, specially considering how much Dr. Manhattan has been lowballed. He was a lot more impressive than surfer was.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
What I'm trying to get across is how big of a pain this sensory overload has to be. IMO the missile did not really do much when we take into consideration that whenever Zod was not under its pain he was tanking damage way, way above the paygrade of that lone missile.

And honestly for the most part Zod really didn't tank much more than that missile is able to generate. Even when him and Superman were punching each other through buildings that doesn't necessarily mean he was getting hit with more force than that missile. Plus those punches were effecting them and they were hurting eachother.

Now I'm not saying a missile will KO him but based on Faora getting KOed it's obviously able to effect them much like that bullet was.

It's to give a kind of perspective of where they are durability wise.

Dr.Manhattan was put up against comic versions of characters, no one put SS on his level.

What are you talking about?

Surfer was more or less invulnerable on his board. And could not be removed from it except by a Reed+Doom plot device.

He created a planet sized blast against Galactus, and tanked said planet sized blast.

He was by far the most impressive Marvel character shown on the big screen thus far, unless I'm missing someone else.

Phoenix was nowhere close to him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Jesus christ. You're not adding a single bit of sense in your appraisals to my posts. Take the time, to understand.

No one said they were in this thread. No one asked them to be included in this thread to change the outcome. I put them in as a show of comparison of how low this Superman is on the live action totem pole.

I said from the beginning already that this Superman loses to someone like Movie Surfer without any mention of those guys.

Where MOS Superman is at compared to those Superman has no correspondence to how well he does in this thread. His feats are what make a difference in this thread.

As far as I can tell the sole purpose of bringing those Superman up is to make yourself feel better that this Superman could lose this fight.

Also, Smallville Supes had 10 years to compile feats.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet once again the big guy got knocked down by a lone bullet from that warship and it obviously hurt him and he wasn't being sensory overloaded at the time.

And honestly for the most part Zod really didn't tank much more than that missile is able to generate. Even when him and Superman were punching each other through buildings that doesn't necessarily mean he was getting hit with more force than that missile. Plus those punches were effecting them and no point does Zod.

Now I'm not saying a missile will KO him but based on Faora getting KOed it's obviously able to effect them much like that bullet was.

It's to give a kind of perspective of where they are durability wise.

I don't remember the warship instance you're talking about. The thing I remember is Gimptonian being thrown backwards when he got hit by the F22.

Exploding gas stations, crashing through a building that also exploded and just shrugging it off makes me think the missile didn't really do much.

You won't really convince me otherwise, so I'll stop arguing this with you.

Here is where you pull a:
Concession accepted.

Detective Stabler was about to kill her with a knife.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't remember the warship instance you're talking about. The thing I remember is Gimptonian being thrown backwards when he got hit by the F22.

Exploding gas stations, crashing through a building that also exploded and just shrugging it off makes me think the missile didn't really do much.

You won't really convince me otherwise, so I'll stop arguing this with you.

Here is where you pull a:
Concession accepted.

An exploding gas station is not more powerful than that Missile.

And once again the same Gas Station Momentarily stunned Superman somehow.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the concession accepted part?

Originally posted by Newjak
Exactly you're bringing them up because you want to point out how low of a version of Superman this is. Which bringing them in and saying they would beat everyone in this thread is pointless to the thread.

Where MOS Superman is at compared to those Superman has no correspondence to how well he does in this thread. His feats are what make a difference in this thread.

As far as I can tell the sole purpose of bringing those Superman up is to make yourself feel better that this Superman could lose this fight.

...What?

Why would I need to feel better? Everyone knows about those versions here.

I freely came in here to talk about how this Superman would utterly lose to Surfer.

This is a versus thread, in which I've seen a handful of fellow
Kal-Lites hype this version up and I've seen mentions of him being low-balled. There's none of the latter going on. It was simply that low. The other guys are correct. I was setting the record straight about his feats, which were more or less not great.

This thread is an unintended spite thread against Cavill Superman. That was the point of my prior post. Hence the post about Welling or Reeve Superman, as they would be able to be argued for in this kind of thread, Cavill Superman cannot. They were given a short sentence of mention, to hammer the point home that I've been trying to since the onset; This Superman is not impressive and therefore would easily lose in this thread. Simple. It was a passing message of perspective that you've tried to blow up into something else.

Listen, I have a suggestion, kindly keep your amateurish psycho-analysis or whatever to yourself.

Originally posted by Newjak

I have no idea what you are talking about with the concession accepted part?

Originally posted by Mindset
Dr.Manhattan was put up against comic versions of characters, no one put SS on his level.

What are you talking about?

Not a direct comparison but Manhattan has been lowballed, and this surfer is being put in such a high regard. I had no idea his stock was so high. Anyway I was off topic and didn't mean to bring another character to this thread.
I watched MOS again tonight and the big Kryptonian was not damaged, he was knocked back though but got right up like nothing happened. Superman did not grimace when the plane shot at his face, his head tilted back. He did grimace when the ship shot at him with the energy blast. I think superman returns superman did have true invulnerability unlike MOS superman.

Everyone here just needs to calm down.

Okay, I just got back from seeing the movie and I must say

Spoiler:
Rotten tomatoes.....REALLY? I thought AT MINIMUM it was a 70-75%. I quite enjoyed it. I'd personally say it was an 80% for me. Sure there were some plotholes/ and a few dumb moments, but what movie doesn't have that?

Getting to the topic though, there were some Extremely great feats for Superman in there, as well as some low feats for him/Kryptonians in general. Honestly, the World engine escape Velocity feat isn't that great imo. Humans have been doing that for decades with rockets.

What IS impressive is his overall Durability and his escaping the mini singularity.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
...What?

Why would I need to feel better? Everyone knows about those versions here.

I freely came in here to talk about how this Superman would lose to Surfer.

This is a versus thread, in which I've seen a handful of fellow
Kal-Lites hype this version up. I was setting the record straight about his feats, which were more or less not great.

This thread is an unintended spite thread against Cavill Superman. That was the point of my prior post. Hence the post about Welling or Reeve Superman, As they would be able to be argued for in this kind of thread, Cavill Superman cannot. They were given a short sentence of mention, to hammer the point home that I've been trying to since the onset; This Superman is not impressive and therefore would easily lose in this thread. Simple. It was a passing message of perspective

Listen, I have a suggestion, kindly keep your amateurish psycho-analysis or whatever to yourself.

IF what you say about your intentions are true, they don't need to be in this thread. They don't really need to be added in. Nor do you need to talk about them especially when someone mentions CISLess Superman fighting.

In truth Superman using his speed is what a CISLess Superman would do which is what Cavill Superman did.

As far as I can tell there is no reason for you to bring up those Superman for any reason and you haven't brought them up in any productive use. Hence my thought process about you bringing them only to make yourself feel better.

I am glad Cavillman is not in the Smallville/Reeve tier.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Nevermind.
Been hanging in the movie vs forum for a while awesome

I don't try to invent fake concessions from people. 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet once again the big guy got knocked down by a lone bullet from that warship and it obviously hurt him and he wasn't being sensory overloaded at the time.

Where do we get that he was obviously hurt? That he was knocked backwards doesn't mean he was actually injured.

Originally posted by Newjak
And honestly for the most part Zod really didn't tank much more than that missile is able to generate. Even when him and Superman were punching each other through buildings that doesn't necessarily mean he was getting hit with more force than that missile. Plus those punches were effecting them and they were hurting eachother.

The collision between Supes/Zod that created a massive shockwave strong enough to crumple tons of concrete would certainly be above the power of a missile.