Superman(Man of Steel) vs Marvel

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yes he struggled with the tower. Not denying that.

Faora was under the pain of the sensory overload. This same overload made Zod drop to the ground helpless literally seconds after he had just shrugged off getting his head pummeled into the ground at high speeds, crash through 2 buildings and an exploding gas station.

YouTube video I agree. I am not claiming Kal-El was FTl or anything like that.

The same exploding Gas Station knocked down Superman, he even seemed to momentarily be in pain or at least stunned.

Superman reminded me a lot of movie Hulk in how speed was portrayed. It was explosive and powerful but in shorter bursts. Not true super speed like in Smallville.

I just noticed that the Gas Station explosion seemed to have hurt Clark and taken the wind out of him, kind of weird in retrospect but honestly, even comic book movies aren't consistent at this point.

Originally posted by Newjak
Phoenix could also probably give him at least some trouble.

Originally posted by Newjak
Zod also didn't get knocked out by the sensory overload. Faora was clearly knocked out perhaps it was a combination of the two. Still the point was human weapons were able to knock down and even effect Kryptonains in this movie mind you they were some heavy duty ones so it's not a low showing.

The same exploding Gas Station knocked down Superman, he even seemed to momentarily be in pain or at least stunned.

Yes he did seem to be staggered. Didn't look hurt at all. Lets remember he was just recovering from being in the K atmosphere and having been mind ****ed. minutes before he started fighting Zod. Just throwing it out there.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm sorry, but are you trying to say something positive about Clark here? You realize that you aren't I hope?

What does them being able to tag each other represent anyway? Physical equals can tag each other. Dodging bum rushes, represents what? Telegraphed from a several feet away, with no notable speed.

These guys were visible to humans, and able to be tagged by humans from pure sight. Their speed was utter shit compared to how it was in Smallville, let alone the comics.

This was not a 'CIS-less' Superman as would be represented in a forum fight. 'CIS-less' Superman would be fighting Zod while the entire world is seemingly frozen around them, that is, every punch they land, the subsequent debris would not seem to be falling to them because their frame of time is so much faster that gravity does not seem to be fast enough to visibly move.

Cause nothing in the movie hinted to me that Superman was holding back his abilities or his use of them in fights.

That was his max strength and speed on display in the movie.

CIS would be if we knew he could run at time freexing level but then didn't.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
eh?

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you understand was CISLess means.

Cause nothing in the movie hinted to me that Superman was holding back his abilities or his use of them in fights.

That was his max strength and speed on display in the movie.

CIS would be if we knew he could run at time freexing level but then didn't.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Be sorry. I am saying the kryptonians have better reflexes than any of the guys on team marvel.

*facepalm* Read. READ.

I already said that. And I said that the Avengers don't stand a chance.

They are unlikely to tag him, but they can, since even humans in this movie could seem them while they were fighting.

I don't know what tangent you're even on about regarding his speed not needing to be impressive compared to his comic counter-part, I never said it had to. This is a VERSUS thread, and therefore a negative against him because his speed was highly unimpressive for Superman's standards. That's whats being discussed here.

Smallville Supes could solo this thread. Christopher Reeve could too. This Superman would lose to movie Surfer, whom he does not have the feats to say he could even hurt.

facepalm

I got everything you said.

Of course Smallville Supes and Reeve Superman would solo. What is your point? Why are you even bringing them up? Are you sad because Superman was not at their power level?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Zod didn't get hit by anything while he was under the pain of the overload.

Yes he did seem to be staggered. Didn't look hurt at all. Lets remember he was weakened minutes before he started fighting Zod. Just throwing it out there.

He also appeared to be able to get his full power back pretty quickly once he was no longer in the Kyrptonain atmosphere. Just pointing that out there.

Originally posted by Mindset
Telepathy?

Also, since I mean to watch it... one day, but what did Smallville Supes do in the broadest terms?

Personally, I think Superman's speed is the only chance he has of beating Hulk and Thor together. And he just can't match Surfer, no one in this thread can. Dude casually disintegrated and remade Doom who was as tough as any Kryptonian or Avenger.

Hulk seemed less effected by the F-22's weapons then the Kryptonians. He also casually one-shotted that Leviathan, one of those things wouldn't be affected by stuff like a missile or the gunfire. Seeing as how he did all of this pretty easily, I doubt they have any strength/durability advantage. Not even taking into account his madder/stronger factor.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
*facepalm* Read. READ.

I already said that. And I said that the Avengers don't stand a chance.

They are unlikely to tag him, but they can, since even humans in this movie could seem them while they were fighting.

I don't know what tangent you're even on about regarding his speed not needing to be impressive compared to his comic counter-part, I never said it had to. This is a VERSUS thread, and therefore a negative against him because his speed was highly unimpressive for Superman's standards. That's whats being discussed here.

Smallville Supes could solo this thread. Christopher Reeve could too. This Superman would lose to movie Surfer, whom he does not have the feats to say he could even hurt.

What I'm trying to get across is how big of a pain this sensory overload has to be. IMO the missile did not really do much when we take into consideration that whenever Zod was not under its pain he was tanking damage way, way above the paygrade of that lone missile.

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you understand was CISLess means.

Cause nothing in the movie hinted to me that Superman was holding back his abilities or his use of them in fights.

That was his max strength and speed on display in the movie.

CIS would be if we knew he could run at time freexing level but then didn't.

That's not what I was talking about.

I believe someone in this thread said that this is what a CIS-less Superman fight would look like in a forum. No, its not.

This Superman fought with his best, but his best is not what a CIS-less forum Superman would look like. That's all.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I just remember her being an incredibly shitty villain. Famke is better than that

Also, since I mean to watch it... one day, but what did Smallville Supes do in the broadest terms?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's not what I was talking about.

I believe someone in this thread said that this is what a CIS-less Superman fight would look like in a forum. No, its not.

This Superman fought with his best, but his best is not what a CIS-less forum Superman would look like. That's all.

Okay.

Originally posted by Mindset
He was ftl and easily moved a planet bigger than Earth.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I just remember her being an incredibly shitty villain. Famke is better than that

Also, since I mean to watch it... one day, but what did Smallville Supes do in the broadest terms?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
What I'm trying to get across is how big of a pain this sensory overload has to be. IMO the missile did not really do much when we take into consideration that whenever Zod was not under its pain he was tanking damage way, way above the paygrade of that lone missile.

Keep arguing with Newjak and I'll phuck you up.