Originally posted by ares834Lol, WHAT?! 😂
The collision between Supes/Zod that created a massive shockwave strong enough to crumple tons of concrete would certainly be above the power of a missile. [/B]
Not trying to diminish the feat, but do you realize what you just typed?
What do you think missiles DO exactly?
Originally posted by Newjak
Fact if don't believe this Superman could win you don't have to mention anything else about other Superman.IF what you say about your intentions are true, they don't need to be in this thread. They don't really need to be added in. Nor do you need to talk about them especially when someone mentions CISLess Superman fighting.
In truth Superman using his speed is what a CISLess Superman would do which is what Cavill Superman did.
As far as I can tell there is no reason for you to bring up those Superman for any reason and you haven't brought them up in any productive use. Hence my thought process about you bringing them only to make yourself feel better.
I repeat, kindly keep your amateurish analyses, and not to mention appeal to motive fallacies out of these thread.
They don't 'need' to be mentioned in this thread? Are you some kind of idiot? Are you directly trying to police brief side-mentions in discussions (you realize this is impossible, yes? its going on even outside of this discussion), that are at least still tangentially related to the respective thread? If so, I would suggest you do a lot more thorough job of that as a moderator, as that goes on far more blatantly in other threads, where things get utterly derailed by completely unrelated things. Like I said, you blew a quick sentence out of proportion. Think before you type in the future. I did not mention Welling or Reeve in my first post, and only did so in latter posts in response to others to drive the point home regarding his speed and why its not so great a factor in this thread.
Likewise, you completely misunderstood that angle of the CIS-Less thing I was talking about. I tackled that only under the assumption that people were impressed about Superman's speed in this and assumed that this is what Superman fans imagine a 'CIS-Less' forum Superman to look like in a fight. He does not. I said absolutely nothing about whether THIS particular Superman was fighting CIS-less or not. (Truth be told, he wasn't either, he still fought with mental restraints and uncertainty the whole time, he simply didn't pull his punches.)
What's laughable is that you have absolutely no reason to even be addressing me at all in this thread. You are of the opinion that this Superman was not so impressive in regards to feats, just as I am. Only thing is, I'm addressing it even more strongly than you are, as I can freely say he would get trashed by movie Surfer, yet you're still being diplomatic about that and call it a fight (there is none, this Superman can't hurt movie Surfer). And then on top of that you claim I'M trying to feel better about something? Lol. If I was trying to feel better, I would try to extrapolate this Superman's feats into things implying much greater impressiveness.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Lol, WHAT?! 😂Not trying to diminish the feat, but do you realize what you just typed?
What do you think missiles DO exactly?
Missiles blow outward they are intended to create a shockwave. A collision doesn't. It transfers the vast majority of it's energy to the object it comes into contact with. The fact that the collision was so strong it created a shockwave is very telling of its power.
Originally posted by ares834Missiles transfer their force and create area of effect shockwaves. It also depends on the type of missle. It was a good feat for Superman, but yah, your wording was a bit off..
Missiles blow outward they are intended to create a shockwave. A collision doesn't. It transfers the vast majority of it's energy to the object it comes into contact with. The fact that the collision was so strong it created a shockwave is very telling of it's power.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Wrong. If something is hit hard enough it will create an area shockwave. Again, it was a good feat for Superman, but yah, your wording was a bit off..
Where did I say collision don't create shockwaves? I said a collision isn't intended to create shockwaves like a missile and that the vast majority of their energy is transferred to the object that is collided with.
Yeah, with the amount of rubble and size of that shockwave from their colliding punches, it was far above a typical missile.
Not to mention, a fist is a lot more concentrated than an explosion. The pressure that Zod and Kal directly felt from each other's fist would have been even greater than just the pressure coming from the shockwave of their punch that caused all that rubble to fly.
Nah, again, the feat is great and it was cool to see. But the shockwave wasn't anywhere near "Super" impressive. A fist weighing 300 grams traveling at lightspeed (or just below lightspeed) impacting a human jaw (or anything, really) would give off 190,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy. That's equivalent to 45 megatons of TNT. That punch they exchanged was not even REMOTELY close to that. SO, impressive feat, but hard to justify it being more impressive than a standard missile impact of 50,000 joules...
A typical missile does not deliver that kind of crater from its ensuing explosion. Even on a square-inch vs square-inch level, the damage will not be more thorough.
A fist is also more concentrated than said explosion.
The shockwave itself was impressive, but the pressure Zod and Superman took was at the very center of it, since they were the very cause of it. Ground zero. Said pressure would have been exponentially more powerful than that being exerted against the environment.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Nah, again, the feat is great and it was cool to see. But the shockwave wasn't anywhere near "Super" impressive. A fist weighing 300 grams traveling at lightspeed (or just below lightspeed) impacting a human jaw (or anything, really) would give off 190,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy. That's equivalent to 45 megatons of TNT. That punch they exchanged was not even REMOTELY close to that. SO, impressive feat, but hard to justify it being more impressive than a standard missile impact of 50,000 joules...
Nope. Once again a punch transfers the vast majority of the energy is transferred to the object it contacts. Only a small amount of that energy is released as a shockwave unlike which happens with a missile.
The fact that the shockwave was so powerful means the punch had to have an enormous amount of energy behind it as the energy of the shockwave was only a small percentage of the collision.
BTW, a punch delivered at near light speed would give off far more energy due to the mass increase.
Originally posted by DamborgsonMe neither. I just didn't like it.
Movie was very good. Superman felt out of character to me a little bit. Not necessarily a bad thing, I just wasn't expecting it.also
Spoiler:
I know why, and I do not care. Superman letting his dad die just did not sit right with me at all.
Spoiler:
I simply thought (why doesn't he take Martha and let Clark get the dog...I mean...seriously WTF?)I find it funny because Johnatan tells Clark to just let people die...then he goes and helps people evacuate while disregarding his own life. Johnatan's core/actions were > his fatherly protective logic
Originally posted by ares834LOl, no. I gave you the calculations of a punch going lightspeed. And the said impact would tear apart the target's atoms....there would be nothing left. The punch in the movie was NO WHERE NEAR that.....not even close. Again, their punch was impressive, but much closer to a standard missile explosion. And I'm not using comic calculations....flash logic doesn't work here.
Nope. Once again a punch transfers the vast majority of the energy is transferred to the object it contacts. Only a small amount of that energy is released as a shockwave unlike which happens with a missile.The fact that the shockwave was so powerful means the punch had to have an enormous amount of energy behind it as the energy of the shockwave was only a small percentage of the collision.
BTW, a punch delivered at near light speed would give off far more energy due to the mass increase.
Man of Steel was probably the best Superman movie in terms of action, but it had the worst Superman. In retrospect, he's a really shitty hero compared to the character that we know and love. Kind of off-putting to me imho. If anything could ruin the movie for me, it was this. Also, they raped Jonathan Kent's character.
Philo summarized my feelings pretty well:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,251122.msg4194393.html#msg4194393
Originally posted by CosmicComet
(there is none, this Superman can't hurt movie Surfer).
Movie Surfer... Lets see, he could phase shift, and tanked Dooms attacks.
And that's about all I remember about him.. Saw the movie by myself in theater on a whim, on a rare day off... Kind of liked it, but I was running on 3 hours sleep at the time and don't remember the finer details...
So what did he take that puts his durability over the top, exactly?
Edit: Checked wiki. Surfer survived killing Big G is the answer, I guess...
Huh, for some reason, I remember him dying along with his master. Totally forgot him recovering.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
LOl, no. I gave you the calculations of a punch going lightspeed. And the said impact would tear apart the target's atoms....there would be nothing left. The punch in the movie was NO WHERE NEAR that.....not even close. Again, their punch was impressive, but much closer to a standard missile explosion. And I'm not using comic calculations....flash logic doesn't work here.
Except a punch at lightspeed would have infinite energy as the mass of the object would be infinite. This isn't "comic calculations" this is real world physics.
As for the rest, it comes down to energy distribution which you aren't seeming to grasp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Man of Steel was probably the best Superman movie in terms of action, but it had the worst Superman. In retrospect, he's a really shitty hero compared to the character that we know and love. Kind of off-putting to me imho. If anything could ruin the movie for me, it was this. Also, they raped Jonathan Kent's character.Philo summarized my feelings pretty well:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,251122.msg4194393.html#msg4194393
Best end fight scene in Superhero movie history, Possibly the worst rendition of Superman's character on the big screen.
What a dilemma. Its hard for me to know what to say to my friends as far as a recommendation.