Superman(Man of Steel) vs Marvel

Originally posted by ares834
Except a punch at lightspeed would have infinite energy as the mass of the object would be infinite. This isn't "comic calculations" this is real world physics.

As for the rest, it comes down to energy distribution which you aren't seeming to grasp.

A fist (something with REST MASS) cannot travel at the speed of light, and in your "Real world phyics" that is all theory. Light has mass technically, but it has no REST MASS...therefore it is able to travel at that speed.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
You should tell them to watch the movie. facepalm

Unless they are as big a fans as us and you think the characterization will ruin the movie for them.

Not that simple.

Its hard for me to separate between the movie on its own merits and what I thought of it as a Superman movie.

I went to see a Superman movie. I was vastly disappointed. I can tell my friends its a great action movie, which I know they will like to hear, so then if they ask something of the sort of "Awesome! so you really liked it huh?", I'd say to that, no, I didn't like it all. Lol.

What a phucking disconnect there.

For people who know Superman well enough, I'd simply tell them to watch it just to decide for themselves, and so I can have a dialogue with them regarding the movie's choices.

All cool and all but in these type of movies where people are able to defy gravity and survive in space...things don't usually work like they should.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No, again you're wrong. I gave you calculations at a fist going just below the speed of light (this conversation is getting dumb)

A fist (something with REST MASS) cannot travel at the speed of light, and in your "Real world phyics" that is all theory. Light has mass technically, but it has no REST MASS...therefore it is able to travel at that speed.

A theory that almost every damn scientist believes....

And while you're correct a fist can't travel at LS that doesn't change anything I said. If it is even close to the speed of light it is far more massive.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not that simple.

Its hard for me to separate between the movie on its own merits and what I thought of it as a Superman movie.

I went to see a Superman movie. I was vastly disappointed. I can tell my friends its a great action movie, which I know they will like to hear, so then if they say something of the sort of "Awesome! so you really liked it huh?" And to which I'd say, no, I didn't like it all. Lol.

What a phucking disconnect there.

For people who know Superman well enough, I'd simply tell them to watch it just to decide for themselves, and so I can have a dialogue with them regarding the movie's choices.

I don't see the problem with telling them you liked the movie for being action packed and whatever else you liked while at the same time having gripes with other aspects of the movie.

But that is just me.

Hope this dilemma doesn't keep you from sleeping.

Originally posted by ares834
A theory that almost every damn scientist believes....

And while you're correct a fist can't travel at LS that doesn't change anything I said. If it is even close to the speed of light it is far more massive.

I just gave you comparisons to show that their "Shockwave" was way closer to a missile impact than a FTL feat. Again, it's Impressive and I'm not trying to cheapen the feat. I'm just putting it in perspective 😉

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Best end fight scene in Superhero movie history, Possibly the worst rendition of Superman's character on the big screen.

What a dilemma. Its hard for me to know what to say to my friends as far as a recommendation.

I think you should recommend they go in without the mindset of looking forward to classic Superman. For the movie to not leave a certain aftertaste, I would've liked to have known that superman wasn't going to quite be the hero I'm used to.

Sounds legit Damborg.

What do you think of Faora?

Ok, noob question, who's Faora again?

Superman(Man of Steel) vs Marvel?Does this include all the Heroes and Villains in the Marvel Movies?If so, then a Villain from the Ghost Rider movie would probably stop Superman MOS 😄

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok, noob question, who's Faora again?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok, noob question, who's Faora again?

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Have you seen the movie?

What a waste of a good prospect. She looks more suited to play diana than faora. Wish they'd hire someone who looks like chyna (a butch) so we dont feel bad not being able to see her again after man of steel.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Have you seen the movie?

Originally posted by Sensui
I would buy this explanation if he hadn't been recorded at 4,000 kelvin, before the instruments were destroyed, and Sue Storm stated he almost went Supernova.

"Johnny you were at 4,000 Kelvin, any hotter and you're approaching Supernova,"

"Sweet!" Johnny said,

"No not sweet, that's the temperature of the Sun." Sue finishes.

The difference between 4,000 kelvin and a Supernova of 100 Billion Kelvin is such an astronomical difference there would be no point in saying such a thing Godkiller.

And she said that's the temperature of the Sun.

Now our Sun, at no point in time generates Supernova temperatures Godkiller. At best, the core is around, depending on what site you look, 15-20 million degrees kelvin. No where near 100 Billion degrees.

By Sue comparing Johnny's potential temperature to our Sun, tells me Johnny's Supernova state is just a nickname, and actually no where near the temperatures of an actual Supernova.

A hyperbolic statement to essentially say he's really hot, and going into solar temperatures, and he could potentially set off a chain reaction and ignite the atmosphere.

Because that is what Johnny's "supernova" would have done, had it been unshielded by Sue.

And IIRC it was Reed who gave all those explanations, not Sue.

Not to mention that since this is based on comics, it's not that far-fetched at all as comic book Johnny has comfortably reached Nova temperatures before.

i dunno. it could certainly be argued that resisting the pull of a singularity is the best feat out there for any superman on film. that is a real comic book style feat. reeves may have had a better strength feat, but i'm not convinced this superman wouldn't have been able to do the same thing. i find it odd that people are criticizing the speed. obviously this isn't comic book kal. but he was damn fast. i don't see ss from the movie being much above him, if at all tbh. i'd say it could go either way.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not that simple.

Its hard for me to separate between the movie on its own merits and what I thought of it as a Superman movie.

I went to see a Superman movie. I was vastly disappointed. I can tell my friends its a great action movie, which I know they will like to hear, so then if they ask something of the sort of "Awesome! so you really liked it huh?", I'd say to that, no, I didn't like it all. Lol.

What a phucking disconnect there.

For people who know Superman well enough, I'd simply tell them to watch it just to decide for themselves, and so I can have a dialogue with them regarding the movie's choices.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Movie was very good. Superman felt out of character to me a little bit. Not necessarily a bad thing, I just wasn't expecting it.

also

Spoiler:
I know why, and I do not care. Superman letting his dad die just did not sit right with me at all.

Spoiler:
Of course I think this movie was meant to humanize Superman more and so him making a split second decision to follow his fathers wishes weren't too bad. They even show that he pretty much regretted it as soon as he made it and I feel had it happened again he wouldn't allow himself to be stopped.

Originally posted by Newjak
Same here

Spoiler:
Of course I think this movie was meant to humanize Superman more and so him making a split second decision to follow his fathers wishes weren't too bad. They even show that he pretty much regretted it as soon as he made it and I feel had it happened again he wouldn't allow himself to be stopped.

i agree--that part was....odd. but only because he later went on to use his powers anyway. more conflict there, more resistance to becoming superman would have helped that--more impact needed to come from that imo. tbh it was the only part that did NOT sit well with me. i was fine with the ending though i get where rage and phil (if he still feels that way regarding the film) are coming from.

to me i guess it worked because it WAS a departure from the traditional. the writer took a different view. the alien god aspect was played up heavily. while his humanity was there, exhibited throughout, but he was an outsider the whole movie and the characterization portrayed that imo. the superman part really was godlike, justifiably so i thought. the sense of awe the onlookers had as they watched the fights was pretty incredible i thought. maybe the next one will focus more on clark, and the humanity part will be more closely attended. i loved it though. it worked for me on almost all levels.