Originally posted by xJLxKing
ummmm youkinda ruined your own argument considering the fact that they are ideas that can and will eventually come back, it just means Superman killed DS but he came back. Going by your definition
which is exactly my point
superman didn't erase darkseid from existence, because if he did, he never even had the chance to come back. He killed him, but seeing how darkseid is a concept/idea, he came back and was trying to reincarnate in a physical form.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Abhil posted this:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16184462/darkseidexistence.jpg.htmlHow does that support Darkseid being erased by Superman? Hell, Doom doesn't even necessarily mean Death in the first place. Especially since Darkseid apparently returned in a lesser form.
I see a lot of speculation being made. Speculation is fine, but you guys are passing them off as facts, as if there's no room left for different interpretations.
Originally posted by operator616
which is exactly my pointsuperman didn't erase darkseid from existence, because if he did, he never even had the chance to come back. He killed him, but seeing how darkseid is a concept/idea, he came back and was trying to reincarnate in a physical form.
Originally posted by operator616except he does Doe, he is not the embodiment of said idea. His physical form was destroyed by Batman, flash, and br. Yet in FC7 he had no physical form. There are no more dimensions, no more ideas, nothing but emptyness. The mm returned everything back with said ideas...
which is exactly my pointsuperman didn't erase darkseid from existence, because if he did, he never even had the chance to come back. He killed him, but seeing how darkseid is a concept/idea, he came back and was trying to reincarnate in a physical form.
No idea what is soohard to understand
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Fell through existence to his doom", "In his absence, the first flower grew". Tell me rage, what does that mean in your world?
None of that means he died much less was erased from existence, especially since he was something of a metaphysical concept.
That being said, I'm of the personal opinion that Darkseid died, he was shot with Radion which is fatal to New Gods, I don't see how Darkseid could survive that even if Superman hadn't done anything. I'd have to re-read Batman to make sure how he came back though.
I was just curious if you had more conclusive evidence. Still find it odd how you try to pass of speculation as fact.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sorry for that. Its kinda late here, around 3 AM and I can't sleep.Yeah and Superman routinely tanks attacks from beings on Galactus level without getting smashed to pieces. If that's not convincing enough for you that superman killed darkseid, I guess nothing would ever be.
Is there any difference to them? Are you sure you can read?
Haha, now you're straight up denying on panel evidence. We straight up saw Superman killing darkseid and erasing him from existence as stated by superman himself and later proved by Monitors.
Tell me rage, what was that shattering of darkseid's essence and his last words? Superman singing Darkseid to sleep? Lulz.
You're such a laugh rage.
Re-read things twice if it's late, it's what I usually do just in case I miss anything.
Routinely? I don't think so, not to mention this isn't about taking punishment but dishing it out. Actual evidence saying he did, would convince me.
I'm not denying anything but you're trying to pass off such a vague scene as one possible fact. Especially since the best evidence you have is Darkseid falling to his Doom. And we saw him return.
Imo? It was Darkseid finally dying but that's not what you're arguing. According to you, Darkseid was erased from existence. You have to prove that last part and so far you have no evidence.
Be glad for the little things I guess.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
None of that means he died much less was erased from existence, especially since he was something of a metaphysical concept.That being said, I'm of the personal opinion that Darkseid died, he was shot with Radion which is fatal to New Gods, I don't see how Darkseid could survive that even if Superman hadn't done anything. I'd have to re-read Batman to make sure how he came back though.
I was just curious if you had more conclusive evidence. Still find it odd how you try to pass of speculation as fact.
So everything states that he was erased from existence and you still argue? True thorbag to the end, never accept a superman feat.
Its cute how you think on panel proof is speculation. Really cute.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha. You're worse than carver at this point. Congrats bro.So everything states that he was erased from existence and you still argue? True thorbag to the end, never accept a superman feat.
Its cute how you think on panel proof is speculation. Really cute.
Explain to me why you think:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16184462/darkseidexistence.jpg.html
"Fell through existence to his doom"
Is conclusive, on panel proof, that Superman erased Darkseid's essence from existence. Especially since we saw him come back in a diminished form?
This has nothing to do with Thor, god you're such a fanboy. You bring him up a lot more then I do.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Re-read things twice if it's late, it's what I usually do just in case I miss anything.Routinely? I don't think so, not to mention this isn't about taking punishment but dishing it out. Actual evidence saying he did, would convince me.
I'm not denying anything but you're trying to pass off such a vague scene as one possible fact. Especially since the best evidence you have is Darkseid falling to his Doom. And we saw him return.
Imo? It was Darkseid finally dying but that's not what you're arguing. According to you, Darkseid was erased from existence. You have to prove that last part and so far you have no evidence.
Be glad for the little things I guess.
So nothing but your usual "This is your speculation"? Tell me what was that shattering of Darkseid's essence?
Vibrations+Counter Vibrations=Cancelation as superman points it out. Plus monitor's statements and its clear to anybody with half a brain what happened. Not to you though.
Yeah, I guess so.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhat we know for a fact was that Darkseid was injured beyond repair by Orion, then he was shot by Batman. Then the beams and the Black Racer attacked him. Then he was bound by Wonder Woman.
None of that means he died much less was erased from existence, especially since he was something of a metaphysical concept.That being said, I'm of the personal opinion that Darkseid died, he was shot with Radion which is fatal to New Gods, I don't see how Darkseid could survive that even if Superman hadn't done anything. I'd have to re-read Batman to make sure how he came back though.
I was just curious if you had more conclusive evidence. Still find it odd how you try to pass of speculation as fact.
Then he was left without the ability to do anything and planned to use the MM to end Superman, while it was stated he was about to die without Superman intervention.
Then Superman shatters his form. This could have ranged from simply destroying the rest of him, to temporarily dispersing him until he died. This part was the only part really not explained.
But naturally, Superman erased him from existence, and the MM brought him back to life because that equates into a happy ending. So he'd utterly erase any being he ever comes into contact with if he were serious.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Explain to me why you think:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16184462/darkseidexistence.jpg.html"Fell through existence to his doom"
Is conclusive, on panel proof, that Superman erased Darkseid's essence from existence. Especially since we saw him come back in a diminished form?
This has nothing to do with Thor, god you're such a fanboy. You bring him up a lot more then I do.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Miracle machine brought him back like all the other new gods. Now I gotta go sleep.
That wasn't said anywhere. I swear you're just making this stuff up now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not going to do to your posts.So nothing but your usual "This is your speculation"? Tell me what was that shattering of Darkseid's essence?
Vibrations+Counter Vibrations=Cancelation as superman points it out. Plus monitor's statements and its clear to anybody with half a brain what happened. Not to you though.
Yeah, I guess so.
I'm just trying to look out for you, tired of you embarrassing yourself young Padawan.
His death? And let's assume that wasn't a visual representation of his dying godly form.
Again, we've all read the scan. Superman created counter vibrations for Darkseid's dying form. No one is denying that as that's what's on panel. It's the other shit that you need evidence for.
Yes, clearly it's just me not having a brain instead of you jumping to conclusions without any actual evidence.
Originally posted by h1a8
So what was the Bill fight about? The writer showed that Bill could have killed Stardust right?If not, then what feats or showings suggest that Stardust is beyond death.
Seems like you are arguing Stardust is a trans or low skyfather or something.
Is Lobo a trans or low sky father because he can't die?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What we know for a fact was that Darkseid was injured beyond repair by Orion, then he was shot by Batman. Then the beams and the Black Racer attacked him. Then he was bound by Wonder Woman.Then he was left without the ability to do anything and planned to use the MM to end Superman, while it was stated he was about to die without Superman intervention.
Then Superman shatters his form. This could have ranged from simply destroying the rest of him, to temporarily dispersing him until he died. This part was the only part really not explained.
But naturally, Superman erased him from existence, and the MM brought him back to life because that equates into a happy ending. So he'd utterly erase any being he ever comes into contact with if he were serious.
Pretty much. I don't even see how this ft can be used since no one here is near death and as vulnerable as darkseid was. By the way, Rage is owning like usual.
