It should be noted that when the 3jedi are stated to be amongest the greatest, there mentoined in the same sentence as Windu. Meaning from MY POV top 20-30 is pretty obvious.
They're mentioned in the same sentence as Mace Windu and yet are soon demonstrated to not be anywhere near his level in combat. As I said you may intrepiderpret that as being in the top 20/30 but your personal interpretation that doesn't really have any logical backing doesn't really amount to anything. With the Jedi Order going back tens of thousands of years and having millions of members "the best" could effectively refer to a group that numbers in the tens of thousands, and it clearly refers to a group with a massive variance.
You dont find it impressive?. Then what is a impressive feat to you?.
Something that actually stands out in the grand scheme of things.
Nah.Fisto did the same thing, though.
Looks cool but now that I can see it for myself not only does it remain arguable visual hyperbole but it's potentially even less credible than that and simply an artistic technique used in comicbooks to indicate a sequence of motion and action in a single panel; it usually implies speed or that the actions were performed immediately after eachother in one swift sequence, but it certainly doesn't necessarily send any message that he looked like he was in multiple places at once.
Tiin would be holding back aswell. So would Windu. So the feat is impressive as both would be holding back. Again I cant prove a negative on who held back more. From whats been shown they both held back.
But if we don't know who was holding back more (or even rather who had more to hold back) or even the exact terms of the spar we really can't draw much of a conclusion form it at all, and we know that the two are not anywhere near the same level in actual combat.
Not as easy as Kolar. Kolar had him in down in 1panel. Fact remains only Windu and Dooku have done that well.
Maybe not as decisively or with such precision but Quinlan ultimately looked just as outmatched in both scenarios. You can attribute him landing a killing blow at the end of both battles to complacency on his opponents' part or even Quinlan having a moment of clarity and achieving a state of oneness in the force or whatever, but what's clear is that his consistent level of ability is really not demonstrated to be particularly great and I think it's made pretty clear that he wasn't a top tier Jedi.
And sure!.The only one holding back was Kolar.
So he had been running prior to the battle as well it seems. I really don't see how it's out of the question that Quinlan was also holding back, his primary goal was clearly to flee, I would have to familiarise myself with those comics again but I believe it was established that he hadn't really fallen to the darkside and was still ultimately good in which case I think it makes more sense both contextually and thematically that he didn't truly intend to fight Agen to the death or to potentially cause him any real harm, and he didn't really demonstrate any real killing intent in that battle, and for what it's worth was shown throwing stuff that isn't particularly lethal such as melee attacks and is shown engaging in a saber lock which vaguely implies that he may have been simply going through the motions of the battle (I understand this last part is pretty out there, just a possibility).
It's also worth noting that if they were both holding back, if you examine them as combatants, Agen seeming to be a bit more masterful and refined, with Quinlan being much more raw but potentially more ferocious, them both holding back may have hurted Quinlan more than Agen, where Agen with his experience and refinement may still be well equipped to aim to disarm Quinlan or cause light damage, whereas the difference for Quinlan may well be the difference between flat out unleashing everything and going for the kill or completely stymieing his offence and just going on the defensive or not really at all commiting to his attacks. Agen's skills may be more tailored to a precision accuracy based attack which would clearly be the favoured approach when you're simply trying to apprehend your opponent.
He hadint. But he was trying to knock Kolar down as shown above/defeat him "we should not be enemies, but it is too late for anything else!"
If anything these were just fighting words or a statement of his surface thoughts in that moment but not truly reflective of what was presumably an intense internal conflict going on at the time. Also Quinlan could consider him an enemy and a general obstruction to his objectives but still not necessarily wish to seriously harm him.
Honestly I agree with this. HOWEVER with new information out as much as I dislike it, I have no choice but to agree with it and abid by it.
Not if it's incompatible with higher forms of canon or what has been established to be the more pervasive elements of canon.
They're mentioned in the same sentence as Mace Windu and yet are soon demonstrated to not be anywhere near his level in combat. As I said you may intrepiderpret that as being in the top 20/30 but your personal interpretation that doesn't really have any logical backing doesn't really amount to anything. With the Jedi Order going back tens of thousands of years and having millions of members "the best" could effectively refer to a group that numbers in the tens of thousands, and it clearly refers to a group with a massive variance.
Yeah, and nether is Kenobi on Windus level.
Also your trying to beat down the quote. If it was "one of the best" in millions of years it would have been stated as "one of our best fighters in the current order" but no it WAS of all time. No reason why they wouldint be in the top 20-30.
Something that actually stands out in the grand scheme of things.
Ummmm...and that.....would...be!?.
Looks cool but now that I can see it for myself not only does it remain arguable visual hyperbole but it's potentially even less credible than that and simply an artistic technique used in comicbooks to indicate a sequence of motion and action in a single panel; it usually implies speed or that the actions were performed immediately after eachother in one swift sequence, but it certainly doesn't necessarily send any message that he looked like he was in multiple places at once.
If your going to "beat it down" that way then you mightaswell ignore all EU as "hyperbole" or exagerated. Fact is Tiin has demonstartaed a speed feat easily on Kenobis level buddy.
But if we don't know who was holding back more (or even rather who had more to hold back) or even the exact terms of the spar we really can't draw much of a conclusion form it at all, and we know that the two are not anywhere near the same level in actual combat.
Thanks for proving my point.
Maybe not as decisively or with such precision but Quinlan ultimately looked just as outmatched in both scenarios. You can attribute him landing a killing blow at the end of both battles to complacency on his opponents' part or even Quinlan having a moment of clarity and achieving a state of oneness in the force or whatever, but what's clear is that his consistent level of ability is really not demonstrated to be particularly great and I think it's made pretty clear that he wasn't a top tier Jedi.
Tooling Vos is still a incredible feat. As the only fighters that have replicated that are Dooku/Windu.
So he had been running prior to the battle as well it seems. I really don't see how it's out of the question that Quinlan was also holding back, his primary goal was clearly to flee, I would have to familiarise myself with those comics again but I believe it was established that he hadn't really fallen to the darkside and was still ultimately good in which case I think it makes more sense both contextually and thematically that he didn't truly intend to fight Agen to the death or to potentially cause him any real harm, and he didn't really demonstrate any real killing intent in that battle, and for what it's worth was shown throwing stuff that isn't particularly lethal such as melee attacks and is shown engaging in a saber lock which vaguely implies that he may have been simply going through the motions of the battle (I understand this last part is pretty out there, just a possibility).
No. Vos didint want to fight, but realized that he had to when Kolar corned him or else he would be arrested defeating the purpose of his mission.
Then Kolar procedded to tool him.
So yeah....
It's also worth noting that if they were both holding back, if you examine them as combatants, Agen seeming to be a bit more masterful and refined, with Quinlan being much more raw but potentially more ferocious, them both holding back may have hurted Quinlan more than Agen, where Agen with his experience and refinement may still be well equipped to aim to disarm Quinlan or cause light damage, whereas the difference for Quinlan may well be the difference between flat out unleashing everything and going for the kill or completely stymieing his offence and just going on the defensive or not really at all commiting to his attacks. Agen's skills may be more tailored to a precision accuracy based attack which would clearly be the favoured approach when you're simply trying to apprehend your opponent.
Okay. The only one holding back was Agen.
Agen slashes Vos in the neck and says "that could easily have been....yield".
Vos then says we have no choice BUT to be enemies.
So clearly it is Kolar holding back.
Not if it's incompatible with higher forms of canon or what has been established to be the more pervasive elements of canon.
No....
