Originally posted by Nephthys
Has anyone ever described the Hero of Tython as such? No, but we know she is. You don't need to be explicitly stated as being among the greats to be among the greats. Scourge definitely is among the greatest given what we know about him. None have his kind of record.
The Hero of Tython has a particularly impressive set of feats to compensate for the lack of accolades (although I’m sure he/she/whatever has no shortage of these as well). Scourge really doesn’t have much.
... this. I agree that it indicates he was exceptional. And I also agree that that alone doesn't make him on Kenobi's level. If however we agree that he was an exceptional swordman as of Revan....
Just to be a dick, didn’t you earlier claim that Scourge/Exile were already on Kenobi’s level at this point? 😉
(The Maul thing is irrelevent. It was luck and circumstance. You might as well credit Han with a legitimate Sidious kill if you go by those standards.)
Yes, but his fighting Maul and not dying beats having unknown lightsaber instructors being “reluctant” to face him in my book.
The point, overall, is that Kenobi’s feats and accolades > Scourge’s.
... then logically he should be an even greater swordsman as of Swtor. Vodo is different, he was a Jedi Master who had other duties and likely focused on training others and meditation etc rather than developing his combat abilities. Scourge on the other hand learns faster given that he's a Sith, and his whole purpose was to be an assassin and kill people as well as prepare to backstab Vitiate for the fate of the galaxy. He would have developed his abilities a lot more than Vodo did. He's also obviously been highly active in terms of combat and has access to the finest resources Vitiates Empire has to offer.
Yes, but now we’re devolving into conjecture and speculation. Does 300 years + Vitiate amp close the gap between Revan Scourge and Kenobi? Who knows? You admit that it doesn’t close the gap against the Hero of Tython, so there’s obviously a limit, and you can’t precisely define where that is.
Obi Wan, however, has superior accolades and superior feats. He’s more powerful relative to the PT era masters than Scourge is relative to the TOR era dark council. It’s likely that Kenobi wins this; we can’t conclusively establish just how powerful Scourge is, but based on what we’ve seen, there’s nothing to put him on Obi Wan’s level.
Hopefully what I have revealed in the other thread has changed your mind. To wit: She fought across the surface of Malachor which is filled with monsters, fought through a Sith temple, defeated Darth Sion multiple times then defeated Darth Traya twice in a row. That's a hugely impressive feat that puts her at Kenobi level in my eyes. Also in terms of swordmanship she's able to become proficient in a lightsaber form after observing someone using it for a few minutes. She is surely incredibly skilled.
Your “seeing someone use it for a few minutes” feat is the only one I find particularly impressive (do you have a source/link/whatever)? The rest are highly ambiguous (“filled with monsters”, sith temple filled with sith of unknown competence), and your interpretation of the events (that she literally takes on the sith at the same time) seems to contradict her rather poor showing in Revan, where she struggles against a small squad of soldiers.
No he can't.
Uh, aside from Yoda, Windu and Anakin, he’s above everyone else on the council.