RotS Anakin vs Satele Shan (Hope trailer)

I think that because the novel tells me so. Of course, the novel contradicts the game concerning their duel. And if we treat the game as canon rather than the novel...

Originally posted by ares834
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Starkiller would wreck Anakin dude. And no, that feat is not nearly as impressive as Starkiller's SD feat. Not to mention, Starkiller has other feats that are as impressive as the SD feat.

Agreed.

And Anakin wins this.

Originally posted by ares834
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Starkiller would wreck Anakin dude. And no, that feat is not nearly as impressive as Starkiller's SD feat. Not to mention, Starkiller has other feats that are as impressive as the SD feat.

In a pure Force Contest, yes Starkiller would wreck him.

But of course Skywalker would take him in Sabers.

Not sure about an all out though. Probably Starkiller- depending how long he could hold off Skywalker in Sabers.

Anakin would beat the shit out of Starkiller.

Trololololol!

Starkiller is only ANH Vader tier. Anakin is at least RotJ Vader tier, and RotJ Vader>>>Starkiller.

Sure.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Starkiller is only ANH Vader tier. Anakin is at least RotJ Vader tier, and RotJ Vader>>>Starkiller.

I doubt Vader improved that much from ANH to ROTJ. Besides Starkiller overpowered ANH(or close to it) Vader.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of ROTS Skywalker defeating Starkiller, but he certainly won't be tooling him.

We have sources confirming the following:

1) ANH Vader was ''but a shadow of his former self''.
2) ESB Vader is massively more skilled than ANH Vader.
3) RotJ Vader is more powerful and skilled than ESB Vader.

Following to take into consideration:

1) Maul convincingly beat ANH Vader.
2) Starkiller was losing to Shaak Ti in a duel. Anakin forced her to flee on a nexus which would've empowered Ti's powers.

Where's it stated that:

ESB Vader was "massively" more skilled than ANH Vader? and

Shaak Ti retreated from Skywalker on a Nexus that only amplifies Shaak Ti?

Skywalker was using the dark side, so he would not be boosted by the nexus?

Those quotes are massively outdated imo.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
We have sources confirming the following:

1) ANH Vader was ''but a shadow of his former self''.

Referring to which former self? That quote can apply to him as of TFU as well.

Given that he progressively became more powerful between ANH-ESB and ESB-RotJ, it's very illogical to think he lessened between TFU-ANH.

Another thing: ANH Vader reached an impasse with ANH Kenobi. ANH Kenobi was also ''but a shadow of his former self''.

Its less illogical than to think that the Vader in TFU is less powerful than RotS Anakin when the former displays massively better feats and fights evenly someone hugely superior to Anakin.

Theres nothing indicating that he did not diminish between TFU and ANH.

The concept that Vader was weaker than he used to be is ancient history. Multiple sources depict him as being one of the most powerful Sith Lords even as of ANH.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Skywalker was using the dark side, so he would not be boosted by the nexus?

The Jedi Temple's on a Light Side Nexus?

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Thanks. What's the source?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its less illogical than to think that the Vader in TFU is less powerful than RotS Anakin when the former displays massively better feats and fights evenly someone hugely superior to Anakin.

Theres nothing indicating that he did not diminish between TFU and ANH.

The concept that Vader was weaker than he used to be is ancient history. Multiple sources depict him as being one of the most powerful Sith Lords even as of ANH.

But even TCW Skywalker was an equal to Dooku and greater than Maul- Both of them being amongst the most powerful Sith Lords ever.

You know what I mean.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its less illogical than to think that the Vader in TFU is less powerful than RotS Anakin when the former displays massively better feats and fights someone hugely superior to Anakin.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The concept that Vader was weaker than he used to be is ancient history. Multiple sources depict him as being one of the most powerful Sith Lords even as of ANH.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The Jedi Temple's on a Light Side Nexus?

The Jedi Temple was the greatest nexus of Force energy in the Republic; its ziggurat design focused the Force the way a lightsaber's gemstone focused its energy stream. With the thousands of Jedi and Padawans within it every day contemplating peace, seeking knowledge, and meditating on justice and surrender to the will of the Force, the Temple was a fountain of the light.

Just being on its rooftop landing deck sent a surge of power through Anakin's whole body; if the Force was ever to show him a way to change the dark future of his nightmares, it would do so here.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Thanks. What's the source?

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Another thing: ANH Vader reached an impasse with ANH Kenobi. ANH Kenobi was also ''but a shadow of his former self''.

Where are the "Shadow of Former self" quotes from for ANH Vader/Kenobi?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You know what I mean.

Not entirely sure on your logic that puts ANH Vader above ROTS Skywalker. Because that would naturally put OT Vader above Dooku before he's even reached his prime.

Anakin isn't as powerful as Dooku. Hes a comparable duelist, but the Count is clearly superior in the ways of the Force.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
But he doesn't display massively better feats... he can't even beat Maul or a massively lessened Obi-Wan, not to mention sources outright confirming that he was weaker than once.

What sources?

Yes he does. Those are ANH Vader, not TFU Vader. Besides, that was just a clone and he DID beat him.

The one that show him tearing apart cathedrals, throwing around giant platforms and fighting Galen mother****ing Marek.