Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the rogue planet that was hurtling toward Earth, not the alternate Eath that Cap pushes back with the IG. Two totally different things.
I know what it is. It came after and is infinitely better than Ultramans moon pushing feat. The little semantics the dc side is trying to put into it is just plain silly.
Hyperion stopped a planet dead in its tracks going 500,000 mph Uktramam pushed a moon.
Hype wins.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I know what it is. It came after and is infinitely better than Ultramans moon pushing feat. The little semantics the dc side is trying to put into it is just plain silly.Hyperion stopped a planet dead in its tracks going 500,000 mph Uktramam pushed a moon.
Hype wins.
I wasn't responding to you with that post SF. I know that you know what it is. I quoted and responded to Galan's older post.
I agree with what you say above.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he say that? And he failed to push the universes.
Even if I showed it to you, would you accept it? This is ABHI we are talk I'm no about. Stop asking for things when we both know showing you is pointless.
He temp stopped it. The planets gave way before he did.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Did you notice the two cars rear tires spinning until the twigs broke? Carver held the cars back until the twigs gave.
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT TIME!!!Let's say you have two cars driving towards each other.
In the middle, stands carver.
He holds two twigs out to stop the cars.
The cars hit the twigs, and they (obviously) break.
The cars continue along their path, and slam into each other. Carver survives.
It's obviously a durability feat - but NOT a strength feat.
Addendum: now, when the cars hit the twigs, there was a millisecond (nanosecond?) where the cars were slowed down. IF the comic had told us how long Hype had held the Earths apart, then maybe carver would have a point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't know if he can overpower the incursion points but he was strong enough to hold them at bay:Whatever, think what you want.
"by the time the WORLDS were about to touch...he held THEM [the worlds] apart...until the WORLDS broke..."
i dunno carv, there's nothing there that says he held apart universes. he kept the incursion points separate which in turn kept the universes from touching. we know that as the earths approached there was a grace period just before the earths, and therefore their universes, touched:
http://www.geeklegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/NA2.jpg
imo all he did was buy a little more time. instead of 8hrs, he kept the earths from touching for another few seconds. as a corollary, the universes were kept apart. that in no way at all means he withstood the weight of 2 encroaching universes..... not to me anyway. /shrug
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I know what it is. It came after and is infinitely better than Ultramans moon pushing feat. The little semantics the dc side is trying to put into it is just plain silly.Hyperion stopped a planet dead in its tracks going 500,000 mph Uktramam pushed a moon.
Hype wins.
Ultraman casually breaking Black Adam's jaw is far better than anything Hyperion did in relative to top tiers.
He also drew blood from Mobius amped on several universes while entire GLC failed to do so.
Ultraman's average is far better Hyperion's.
Originally posted by JBL
If Hyperion stopped the planets he stopped the forces that was pushing them no matter how long.
Pretty much this. If I put a boulder in front of a diesel and I stand in front of this moving vehicle and use my strength to stop the Boulder that is being pushed by the diesel, we would use both the diesel and the Boulder as a reference of strength, not just the Boulder.
Originally posted by carver9. How is it that every time a feat is greater than supermans, his fans try and lowball the feat? Hyperion holds back two universes, they cry no he didn't. Gladiator destroys a planet, they call it a rock. Gladiator contains an explosion, they cry no he didn't, he didn't fly at 100 times light speed. But superman gets on a machine and he's given credit for benching the earth itself???
Pretty much this. If I put a boulder in front of a diesel and I stand in front of this moving vehicle and use my strength to stop the Boulder that is being pushed by the diesel, we would use both the diesel and the Boulder as a reference of strength, not just the Boulder.
Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much this. If I put a boulder in front of a diesel and I stand in front of this moving vehicle and use my strength to stop the Boulder that is being pushed by the diesel, we would use both the diesel and the Boulder as a reference of strength, not just the Boulder.
difference is in your case, the boulder and truck comprise a SINGLE force--that is they are 'attached'.
there is no proof the earths are 'attached' to the universes in the same dynamic. what you're saying is this: somehow, just because an incursion is happening, the earths become 'attached' to the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. if someone moved the earth in a comic, would you say they moved the equivalent of the entire universe??? of course not, that's asinine. so, now, just because the universes are moving into the same place, the rules change and moving the earth DOES equal moving the entire universe?? when does this change take place exactly? no, that makes no sense....at all, really. even by comic standards.
Why are we even worried about that feat when Hype has another planet feat? Its the DC side trying to not bring it up. Hype has better strength feats. Plain and simple.
And despite the shenanigans, the authors made it clear. "He held them apart" despite the universes pushing against them. Did he overpower universes? No. But he momentarily did and imo thats better than moving a moon. If Superman replaced Hype yall would be screaming he has multivers strength feats.
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hope that wasn't directed at me. it was made clear he held apart WORLDS. there is nothing that says the universes were "pushing" the worlds. that makes no sense, obviously. the planet would move ALONG with the universe, not the other way around and stopping a planet would certainly not mean stopping a whole universe....
as for the thread--i never said who'd win. strength difference wouldn't be very big either way. i'd likely take hype for a very small majority, but a split or a slight majority to ultraman is reasonable too imo. anyone who says either of these guys stomps the other is purely backing their fave, or going anti-fanboy--which is even worse than fanboy responses imo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If only space cheese meant anything regarding characters.Ultraman casually breaking Black Adam's jaw is far better than anything Hyperion did in relative to top tiers.
He also drew blood from Mobius amped on several universes while entire GLC failed to do so.
Ultraman's average is far better Hyperion's.
Not wise to piss on Hyperion's average.
Originally posted by JBL
Did you notice the two cars rear tires spinning until the twigs broke? Carver held the cars back until the twigs gave.
The rear tires never spun, I distinctly did not mention the tires.
The Hyperion scan distinctly does not mention the worlds spinning either. He held them apart until they broke. How long was that? A nanosecond? A milisecond? A picosecond? As in my example, if there was a fraction of an attosecond where the cars were slowed/stopped, it still does not mean much.
Furthermore, the Superman benching the earth example is different because DC lovingly wanked all over it. Detailed all the info you needed for it to be a feat.
Leo has a good point, too. Pushing earths =/=pushing universes, anyway.
