Hyperion vs. Ultraman

Originally posted by leonidas
i think the idea of the incursions was that the universes were randomly colliding with neighbors as a result of the initial contraction. but i agree with part of what you said--we don't know what kind of force was driving the earths together. we can't know how fast they were traveling toward each other either, but they seemed to be moving very slowly.... regardless though, do you agree they could only have held up under the pressure each earth would have been able to withstand?

that would have been.....a LOT of pressure. the feat is crazy. but clearly a planet could not have withstand being compressed by the full inertia of a universe...right?

More to your point about "representation", It was said that the Earth's are more than what you see and it's a metaphysical "tip of the iceberg" so you really can believe and argue it's actual universes colliding cause there is evidence supporting that. The doubt is only cause they're depicted as just Earths but then there is an explanation for that

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The Earths represent the universes they belong to but it's the force that attracts them that is the X factor. He literally caught a planet so it's not velocity, it's the unknown attractive force the respective universes are moving towards one another using their Earth like a magnet.

More to your point about "representation", It was said that the Earth's are more than what you see and it's a metaphysical "tip of the iceberg" so you really can believe and argue it's actual universes colliding cause there is evidence supporting that. The doubt is only cause they're depicted as just Earths but then there is an explanation for that

yeah, i can get what you're saying and like i said, i can see why people argue it is universes. both stances have support imo. universes just doesn't make sense to me and as the hype scan depicts (and that is the one people focus on most) it does repeatedly say worlds.

it is strange though that we really don't see him TOUCHING either world... 😕

tbh it looks more like he insinuated himself into the incursion zone and that his body just....kept them apart. if that's true, this might be better defined as a durability feat than a strength feat, no?

^ Christ😄

Originally posted by JBL
^ Christ😄

Originally posted by JBL
It's a comic book. They withstood the pressure for a time like the floor withstood the so -called earth weight force for 5 days straight.

Except the earth weight was pretty detailed.

The Hype feat? Not so much.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except the earth weight was pretty detailed.

The Hype feat? Not so much.

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the whole thing is wayyy too ambiguous to be worth much of anything imo. i still think i like hype in this fight for a tiny majority though....

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The Earths represent the universes they belong to but it's the force that attracts them that is the X factor. He literally caught a planet so it's not velocity, it's the unknown attractive force the respective universes are moving towards one another using their Earth like a magnet.

More to your point about "representation", It was said that the Earth's are more than what you see and it's a metaphysical "tip of the iceberg" so you really can believe and argue it's actual universes colliding cause there is evidence supporting that. The doubt is only cause they're depicted as just Earths but then there is an explanation for that

I don't think that's the case. They used separate words for Universes and earth.

Also the earth crumbled so it wouldn't have been able to attract the force needed to attract/move the universe.. The earths were moving as part of their respective universes.

Hyperion stepped in between the two earths and since he was more invulnerable than the earths the universes kept moving/pushing until the earths could go not withstand the pressure from the universe and the more invulnerable object(Hyperion) on the other side.

It's not very smart to think that the earth can withstand the force/ weight of a entire universe even for a split second.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Abhi doesn't like that it happened, ergo it didn't happen.

Originally posted by leonidas
it is strange though that we really don't see him TOUCHING either world... 😕

tbh it looks more like he insinuated himself into the incursion zone and that his body just....kept them apart. if that's true, this might be better defined as a durability feat than a strength feat, no?

So I'd definitely be inclined to call it *more* of a durability feat than a strength feat. srug

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i can get what you're saying and like i said, i can see why people argue it is universes. both stances have support imo. universes just doesn't make sense to me and as the hype scan depicts (and that is the one people focus on most) it does repeatedly say worlds.

it is strange though that we really don't see him TOUCHING either world... 😕

tbh it looks more like he insinuated himself into the incursion zone and that his body just....kept them apart. if that's true, this might be better defined as a durability feat than a strength feat, no?

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't think that's the case. They used separate words for Universes and earth.

Also the earth crumbled so it wouldn't have been able to attract the force needed to attract/move the universe.. The earths were moving as part of their respective universes.

Hyperion stepped in between the two earths and since he was more invulnerable than the earths the universes kept moving/pushing until the earths could go not withstand the pressure from the universe and the more invulnerable object(Hyperion) on the other side.

It's not very smart to think that the earth can withstand the force/ weight of a entire universe even for a split second.

Hyperion then caught that speeding celestial body so maybe the incursion thing is up for debate but the debate between Ultraman's feat and that other one above is done

This part about it being the tip of an iceberg and what is really being pushed against is in fact a universe. Earth being the focal point of entire universes is nothing new to comics

Originally posted by psycho gundam

This part about it being the tip of an iceberg and what is really being pushed against is in fact a universe. Earth being the focal point of entire universes is nothing new to comics

Hyperion didn't actually handled two universes weight there.

Using an infinity gauntlet, no less, Hyperion used his arms.

I can't say that he held apart the weight of 2 universes..... but he definitely momentarily held back 2 Earths with their respective universes metaphysically being represented by their Earth with a force greater than a speeding celestial body attracting them together, a force an infinity gauntlet + heavy strain from it's user was needed to withstand.

To think it's just Earths moving (slowly) towards one another is just being dishonest to yourselves. It's clearly and blatantly greater than that

The earths were not propelled by universal force. Suggesting that is asinine.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Using an infinity gauntlet, no less, Hyperion used his arms.

I can't say that he held apart the weight of 2 universes..... but he definitely momentarily held back 2 Earths with their respective universes metaphysically being represented by their Earth with a force greater than a speeding celestial body attracting them together, a force an infinity gauntlet + heavy strain from it's user was needed to withstand.

To think it's just Earths moving (slowly) towards one another is just being dishonest to yourselves. It's clearly and blatantly greater than that

but before the incursion started if i pushed that earth i wouldn't be pushing the universe, right....? so i don't get the dynamic--when does the earth become the universe?

look at it from the opposite perspective--let's sayalll the heroes on earth worked together to push OUR earth out of the way (because that would also prevent the incursion). our earth would only be the tip of the iceberg of OUR universe, correct? does that mean to move our OWN earth out of the way, they'd have to push OUR entire universe to do it??

anyone on carv's side of the equation feel free to answer cuz i'm seriously curious.

btw--galan's bio further confirms what the hype scans show--he tried and failed to push colliding EARTHS apart.... i don't think we're being dishonest pg, i think we're looking at the more relevant scans involving hype himself and the info they give. bringing in the cap scans aren't as valuable imo because, well, he uses the IG and obviously you can't conflate the IG with whatever hype did.... /shrug

lastly--i still don't see him actually contacting any planet, but that's only one of the reasons this feat is utterly ambiguous imo.

@galan--yeah, i'm beginning to agree--def a better, far less ambiguous durability feat. 👆

^ When Molecule man of another universe was killed causing the multiverse to fall in on itself making Earths (their metaphysical representatives) to collide annihilating their respective universes. The incursion is 8 hours long and the Earths being hopelessly drawn to one another doesn't have the catastrophic gravitational effects that would normally happen when two celestial bodies are that close, so it's not a normal situation to say the least.

Black swan said that Hank Mcoys of different universes destroyed Earths to end the incursion since there was nothing to slam together so knowing that's "all" it would take, Hyperion being someone who can catch a planet bigger than Earth going 550,000mph, he could just shove Earth away...unless the force drawing them together was far greater, a force that required an infinity gauntlet to overcome

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ When Molecule man of another universe was killed causing the multiverse to fall in on itself making Earths (their metaphysical representatives) to collide annihilating their respective universes. The incursion is 8 hours long and the Earths being hopelessly drawn to one another doesn't have the catastrophic gravitational effects that would normally happen when two celestial bodies are that close, so it's not a normal situation to say the least.

Black swan said that Hank Mcoys of different universes destroyed Earths to end the incursion since there was nothing to slam together so knowing that's "all" it would take, Hyperion being someone who can catch a planet bigger than Earth going 550,000mph, he could just shove Earth away...unless the force drawing them together was far greater, a force that required an infinity gauntlet to overcome

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Originally posted by leonidas
btw--galan's bio further confirms what the hype scans show--he tried and failed to push colliding EARTHS apart....

@galan--yeah, i'm beginning to agree--def a better, far less ambiguous durability feat. 👆

What we *do* know is that he survived the subsequent destruction of his universe -- a durability feat that is FAR easier to accurately quantify than this 'meta-strength feat' that has been discussed for nearly two-dozen pages now. /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
The earths were not propelled by universal force. Suggesting that is asinine.

Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly. Hype *failed* to hold the earths/universes apart, therefore we have absolutely NO idea how much of this metaphysical weight he physically held/pushed before he failed -- it's a completely ambiguous guessing game in that regard. He may have momentarily held the cumulative weight of 2 universes before failing; he may not have been able to hold more than planetary weight before failing.

What we *do* know is that he survived the subsequent destruction of his universe -- a durability feat that is FAR easier to accurately quantify than this 'meta-strength feat' that has been discussed for nearly two-dozen pages now. /shrug

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/28928676/the-spark-that-started-the-fire.jpg.html

So even that is under debate if he survived on his own or was rescued.