"Unstoppable power of a meteor strike" sounds like the Tunguska Event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
"Unstoppable power of a meteor strike" sounds like the Tunguska Event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I don't know. It seems to me Dooku's force powers still gave him the edge during Season4 against Skywalker.But the ROTS novel describes his force powers as useless. That is a big difference Imo. And he clearly was using his anger in that Season 4 episode.
And I'm not sure how muich he improved considering Dooku almost defeated him via that slam kick, while simultaneously stomping Kenobi.
And clearly Kenobi is not Dooku's equal in Sabers.
So I just find it highly unlikely that the same Fury that Dooku was useless against, Kenobi could handle for minutes on end.
Not to mention Sith Anakin stalemated Kenobi in the Force, and Kenobi was completely owned by Dooku in the Force. So why would Dooku's force powers be useless against a Fury driven Skywalker then?There must have been a huge difference in power between Zone Anakin and Sith Anakin.
Well, the RotS novel makes it pretty clear that Dooku is being driven to his heels through the entire fight, not just during the end. Getting one kick in doesn't change that fact.
As for his Force Powers being "a joke"--I have two things to say to this. Firstly, as I have said, I think Stover's writing is filled with several hyperboles that are being taken too literally. Anakin is just too powerful for Dooku. However, I believe this writing about him being "useless" and being "already dead" is really just for suspense. In the actual fight, he really didn't seem to be doing much better at the end then he was at the beginning--It's just that in the middle he was hindered by fear to draw on his fury in battle.
And thirdly--I'm not going to simply call it out as ABC logic and be done with it--But this is some pretty bad ABC logic. For one, in the novel itself it's stated that Obi-Wan was only lasting due to their thousands of sparring matches during the Clone Wars. They knew each other's techniques "more intimately than lovers". Both of them knew exactly how to counter the other, and neither were able to gain an advantage. Secondly, Anakin was "between worlds" per RoDV, and was vulnerable. Not that his actual combat ability was siphoned, but mentally the dude was unstable--He was far too reckless in the battle. This led to both Kenobi being able to gain advantages in the battle to survive as well as Anakin's defeat. The situation was just completely different than Anakin vs Dooku. Besides, even though overall Dooku rather outclasses Kenobi--As duelists they could be considered comparable or even "close" in their own right. I mean, look at how well Kenobi did against the brothers.
I wouldn't say there's a huge power difference at all. Simply that Obi-Wan's battle with Anakin was far more circumstancial to both the events and the fact that they'd fought thousands of times before, there really was no surprises for Obi-Wan like there was Dooku.
Though I will admit, Anakin at the time he fought Dooku was probably stronger than he was in his battle with Obi-Wan, I don't believe he should be considered an entirely different character, much less one that's stronger than anyone else in the mythos.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Though I will admit, Anakin at the time he fought Dooku was probably stronger than he was in his battle with Obi-Wan, I don't believe he should be considered an entirely different character, much less one that's stronger than anyone else in the mythos.
So we agree Anakin was stronger when he fought Dooku 👆
It's just about how much stronger. I get you don't have to believe the possible hyperbolic type statements, but I hope you agree anyone who can overpower Count Dooku like that will be a serious threat to any Jedi or Sith in the mythos.
And fact is there's the Mortis trilogy which shows Skywalker can access that Uber Power that trumps the power of any Jedi or Sith.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So we agree Anakin was stronger when he fought Dooku 👆It's just about how much stronger. I get you don't have to believe the possible hyperbolic type statements, but I hope you agree anyone who can overpower Count Dooku like that will be a serious threat to any Jedi or Sith in the mythos.
And fact is there's the Mortis trilogy which shows Skywalker can access that Uber Power that trumps the power of any Jedi or Sith.
I'm just saying "Zone" Anakin shouldn't be clarified as a completely different character. Because, more or less, every character has a "Zone" and whatever. Yet I don't see topics with "ZoDooku" or "Zenobi". If you put a character, you assume they are at their best unless otherwise specified. Anakin should be no exception. Enough said.
If what Anakin did against Dooku was the same thing he did against the Son and Daughter of Mortis, there wouldn't have been a 40+ second fight after Kenobi went down. Dooku would have been force-floored before he could recover from Anakin's kick. If not, he'd be blitzed by "de full powah of the chosen one" enhanced Force Speed.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm just saying "Zone" Anakin shouldn't be clarified as a completely different character. Because, more or less, every character has a "Zone" and whatever. Yet I don't see topics with "ZoDooku" or "Zenobi". If you put a character, you assume they are at their best unless otherwise specified. Anakin should be no exception. Enough said.
Because Dooku and Kenobi are Jedi/Sith Masters. They're older and have mastered their powers. I mean who would Zone Dooku even be?
Although there have been threads here saying "Peak Kenobi," as in the Kenobi who outfought both Brothers, rather than Kenobi when he got knocked out by Ventress in a few seconds.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
If what Anakin did against Dooku was the same thing he did against the Son and Daughter of Mortis, there wouldn't have been a 40+ second fight after Kenobi went down. Dooku would have been force-floored before he could recover from Anakin's kick. If not, he'd be blitzed by "de full powah of the chosen one" enhanced Force Speed.
Well no because according to the novel even in their one on one Skywalker was said to "still" be holding back on his full fury and power.
But it's said the instant Skywalker stopped holding back and "decided to win" Dooku's hands went off.
I don't expect that Invisible Hand Zone Skywalker would be on the same level as Mortis Zone Skywalker. But considering Skywalker didn't repeat that feat on Mortis, proves he does have a Zone setting, in which he becomes tremendously more powerful.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Didint Gillard state that Regular Anakin was a level 8 in saberdueling?.
I guess that would be Skywalker when he's completely holding back on his rage. Since even as of TCW he's competing with Count Dooku. Something Kenobi "a level 8" can not do.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, the RotS novel makes it pretty clear that Dooku is being driven to his heels through the entire fight, not just during the end. Getting one kick in doesn't change that fact.
It means nothing, since this whole fight between Dooku and Jedi (and also Yoda and Sidious) contradicts the movie or script. What Stover wrote is just BS.
But you of caurse have your rights to use this book as argument.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Besides, even though overall Dooku rather outclasses Kenobi--As duelists they could be considered comparable or even "close" in their own right. I mean, look at how well Kenobi did against the brothers.
This time I will be the one, who will use Stover's Novel:
Kenobi reached the top of the stairs and a single slash of hislightsaber dismantled both droids. Before their pieces could evenhit the floor Dooku was in motion, landing a spinning side-stamp that folded Skywalker in half; he used his last burst of darkpower to continue his spin into a blindingly fast wheel-kick thatbrought his heel against the point of Kenobi's chin with acracklike the report of a huge-bore slugthrower, knocking the JediMaster back down the stairs. Sounded like he'd broken his neck.
So, even with help from Skywalker (who, according to novel was better then Dooku during the whole fight), Kenobi was defeated by Dooku in a sword (not force) contest. Not to mention, that Dooku was in terrible physical condition:
The impact was a blast of white fire, and there was a secondimpact against his back that was the balcony rail, and then the room turned upside down and he fell toward the ceiling, but not really, of course: it only felt that way because he had flipped overthe rail and he was falling headfirst toward the floor, and neitherhis arms nor his legs were paying any attention to what he wastrying to make them do.
The Force seemed to be busy elsewhere,and really, the whole process was entirely mortifying.
He was barely able to summon a last surge of dark power before what would have been a disabling impact. The Force cradledhim, cushioning his fall and setting him on his feet.
So, Dooku who was extremally tired, and being attacked by even stronger opponent then himself, was still able to defeated Kenobi, who was equally skilled to him?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Maybe you're new to this forum Zoneanakin doesn't refer to the anakin in that episode its the common name used for the anakin that fought and killed dooku. That is where ZoneAnakin came from well before that episode even came out. I thought you knew that already but I guess not. Mortisanakin would be somebody totally different and would have to be specified in that thread title. Two different anakin's from one another. One could theorize that they could be the same but that isn't the common application of zoneanakin.
You clearly missed my posts with Tempest. Try again:
Originally posted by Petrus
Hmmm... You might be right. But does't Mortakin (yeah, I like your nickname, I'ma use it from now on) drawing on the power of the Ones make him even more uber than Zonakin?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, but the Anchorites are drawing on the same power. For Anakin to still overcome them both when all three draw on the same energy source means his advantage must be internal. Which is why The Father has selected him and him alone as a replacement rather than any Force using schmuck who can harness a Force nexus.
Originally posted by Petrus
Fair enough, you make a good point. From now on Mortakin ceases to exist and he shall be known only as Zonakin.
So, yeah...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again though, he would have to display said ability more than once to even consider anakin being able to do it. Since he hasn't, it's not applicable to anakin in a forum fight.
If you believe that then why the hell would you make a thread about "Zone Anakin"...?
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Sorry just noticed this part of your post so replying to it now:
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, the RotS novel makes it pretty clear that Dooku is being driven to his heels through the entire fight, not just during the end. Getting one kick in doesn't change that fact.
That kick had Skywalker completely floored and useless for a good 10 seconds.
So of course it changes a lot about the fight. The especially awesome part was simultaneously owning Kenobi.
Whilst before Skywalker vs Dooku's 1 on 1, the Jedi duo even together did not land a single hit on the Count.
So yes, that kick does make a big difference when comparing the novel and movie versions of the fight.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Gillard said Anakin was a level 9.
Yes that's true, Gillard only named Skywalker as a 9. He never once named him an 8.
Originally posted by Petrus
The movie outranks the novel in terms of canon, and there clearly is a contradiction with that kick. Thus, the movie renders the kick non-canon and confirms Anakin's complete stomp of Dooku even more convincingly.
Talking about Dooku kicking Anakin. Skywalker was floored and helpless for a good 10 seconds, so can hardly say Anakin stomped Dooku unless you ignore everything that happened up until Kenobi got KO'd, which some people do, stating that's when he transformed into ZONAKIN!
Originally posted by Petrus
The movie outranks the novel in terms of canon, and there clearly is a contradiction with that kick. Thus, the movie renders the kick non-canon and confirms Anakin's complete stomp of Dooku even more convincingly.
WTF are you talking about? Of course, movie is above novel, but this kick that Power is talking about is from movie. Another source of this fight, Rise and Fall of DV is 100% consistent with movie version. And in this book Dooku outclassed both, Anakin and Obi-Wan, until Anakin starts to use his anger.
Actually according to the script Anakin was already getting angry and growing in strength before Dooku slam kicked him.
But after that he tapped into even more of his rage/innate power, which is when he was finally able to defeat the Count.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I still am not convinced that Zonakin is any different than peak Anakin.
Either way it's pretty clear that "peak" Anakin is a pretty powerful dude who would be a threat to any Jedi/Sith including the likes of Sidious and Yoda, which actually is what the ROTS Novel hints towards on various occassions.
@ Darth Power
Hard to tell, since one sequence was cut off:
COUNT DOOKU: I've been looking forward to this.
ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.
DOOKU lunges at the JEDI and they fall back . . .
COUNT DOOKU: (continuing) Your moves are clumsy, Kenobi . . . too predictable. You'll have to do better.
As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry. ANAKIN continues to drive the attack on DOOKU. COUNT DOOKU throws OBI-WAN back using the Force.
After this sequence, Dooku and Kenobi are tired, and Anakin's getting stronger. But it was acctualy not happen. Dooku and Kenobi probably aren't tired. Is Anaking getting stronger? I have no idea, but still he's not on Count's level (after all, Dooku overpowered them both in saber lock, and take an advantage).
Anakin regains his composure and attacks COUNT DOOKU as the Dark Lord continues his spin to meet him head on. Their fighting becomes even more intense. Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.
I would say, that this part was also cut off, since Anakin looks really angry just after Count's words.
Rise and Fall of DV confirms that:
"I sense great fear in you, Skywalker," Dooku said. "You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them."
Anakin grimaced, angrier than before, the blades unlocked, and the duel resumed. Trading blows across the chamber, they came to a stop near the hostage Palpatine.
Dooku was using both hands to grip his lightsaber, putting more of his
strength into each deadly swing, when Anakin reached out fast with his left hand to catch Dooku's wrists.