I agree, that Zonakin and Mortakin are very similar. Mortakin is far more powerful because of Mortis'. But everybody is more powerful on Mortis, I guess. It's logical.
So Mortakin = Zonakin on Mortis.
Mortakin is able to humiliate Son and Daughter. Both of them are able to humiliate people on Kenobi's level.
So Mortakin >> Son and Daughter - it's not even a fight, he just force them to kneel before him.
Son/Doughter >> Kenobi.
So Mortakin >>>> Kenobi (smth like that).
Dooku also >> Kenobi. It's about two leagues between them in the force.
And Dooku's powers were turn into joke against Zonakin.
Originally posted by Petrus
Do you need me to post all that again? Because clearly you're just ignoring it.
He's just plain trolling now. I'm done owning him on this thread.
Originally posted by Zett
I agree, that Zonakin and Mortakin are very similar. Mortakin is far more powerful because of Mortis'. But everybody is more powerful on Mortis, I guess. It's logical.
So Mortakin = Zonakin on Mortis.
Mortakin is able to humiliate Son and Daughter. Both of them are able to humiliate people on Kenobi's level.
So Mortakin >> Son and Daughter - it's not even a fight, he just force them to kneel before him.
Son/Doughter >> Kenobi.
So Mortakin >>>> Kenobi (smth like that).Dooku also >> Kenobi. It's about two leagues between them in the force.
And Dooku's powers were turn into joke against Zonakin.
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The Emperor effortlessly defeated 4 Jedi in Dark Times: A Spark Returns
Three. And they were no-name Jedi who, according to Sahdett, were beaten and starved before their audience with His Imperial Majesty.
Still cool, but better was Sahdett's wanking of him.
Originally posted by Zett
I agree, that Zonakin and Mortakin are very similar. Mortakin is far more powerful because of Mortis'. But everybody is more powerful on Mortis, I guess. It's logical.
So Mortakin = Zonakin on Mortis.
Mortakin is able to humiliate Son and Daughter. Both of them are able to humiliate people on Kenobi's level.
So Mortakin >> Son and Daughter - it's not even a fight, he just force them to kneel before him.
Son/Doughter >> Kenobi.
So Mortakin >>>> Kenobi (smth like that).Dooku also >> Kenobi. It's about two leagues between them in the force.
And Dooku's powers were turn into joke against Zonakin.
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Similar and the same AREN'T the same thing. One took place in a place where Anakin received a BIG amp. His fight with Dooku took place in no environment where Anakin got an amp. Anakin didn't own Dooku with the force he beat him in a lightsaber fight... To say nothing of the fact that for all the talk of stover and his fluff to dooku.. why are people ignoring that Dooku depleted VITAL force reserves just fighting off Kenobi and Anakin? Stover also mentions this. Why are people ignoring the fact that Anakin style was dishing out major damage for dooku to even just block them. Something also mentioned by stover. Why are people ignoring that it was stated that Dooku underestimated Anakin. All those things plus anakin getting into the zone and using emotions he doesn't typical use explain why he won. MortisAnakin and Zoneanakin aren't the same. One got an external amp and the other didn't. This is plain as day
DP you're beyond so stupid something. I asked for an example that applies to Zoneanakin.. MortisAnakin has never been confused with Zoneanakin EVER. Now Tempest is trying to claim they are one in the same.. this is a recent theory of is that you didn't even stand behind till now. Show me anyplace in this thread where I said the fight takes place on Mortis.. If I did.. you could cite that as an example... since I didn't how the **** is that a viable example you nitwit? I mean seriously this is getting beyond stupid. Funny how you didn't quote my boxing analogy which is example what you did here.
Give me an example of Jack Johnson losing in his prime to a whtie HW in under 20 rounds... Your answer jess Willard... Ohhh wait... Johnson was 37 and past his prime... and lost after the 20 round.... That is exactly what you did here and claim that was owning LOL.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The external amp is irrelevant... When the people he was owning had the same power to draw upon.
Actually it's not though...
he isn't fighting the son and daughter on Mortis and thus it's same for both. He's ISN'T ON MORTIS AT ALL.. thus he has no amp. I have never claimed that he got an amp and they didn't.. it's just irrelevant to normal Anakin nor a zonanakin using his emotions. The amp isn't there for either. I'm not sure how this is unclear. It would be like the following example...
Hulk gets a big amp fighting on a planet that is constantly feeding him gamma radiation.. and constantly feeding him images of betty being killed and he goes super saiyan and kills two being who are gamma radiation gods on teh planet..
Then...
You try and apply that same hulk fighting Thor on planet earth with nothing amping him except his normal anger.. except his fighting a thor extra pissed of and more pissed of than usual.
That is what you're donig here.. you're trying to make Anakin get an amp that doesn't exist in this thread.. nor did it exist when he beat dooku and just claim some ambigious claim that the power is always his.. If that were try you'd have to prove it. You'd have to show examples of Anakin going that saiyan mode again and not having Mortis have anything to do with it. Problem is, you and I both know that doesn't exist. Thus, that is an unproven theory. To say nothing of the fact that it wasn't just internal.. it was an external amp. Those aren't mutual inclusive to anakin. One was anakin using an external amp and molding and shaping it to become ever more powerful. The other was anakin letting go of some emotions to become an even more deadly fighter. Not near the same.
I've provided a reasonable argument that Zonakin and Mortakin are the same. Anakin's advantage over the Son and Daughter is inherent; it exists whether or not he's on Mortis. When he taps into that latent geyser of power, as he did against Dooku per Stover's fluff, he's a demi-god.
Regular Anakin can't take Yoda and probably can't take Mace. But you opened the door to this when you made this Zonakin and not Normakin.
In order to make an arugment you need to PROVE it Temp.. YOu know how this works.. you've been on this site long enough. PROVE that Anakin has ever or is capable of those power levels NOT being on Mortis. If you have an example then you could say you've made a reasonable argument.
Let me ask you this.. Is Mortis a typical nexus that we see ala the Jedi Temple.. or other DS nexus we've seen or is it the most powerful nexus we've ever seen or heard of?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In order to make an arugment you need to PROVE it Temp.. YOu know how this works.. you've been on this site long enough. PROVE that Anakin has ever or is capable of those power levels NOT being on Mortis. If you have an example then you could say you've made a reasonable argument.
This was very informative, thank you.
Anyway, I've already made my case.
The Father chose Anakin not because he needed a random schmuck who could draw on the power of Mortis to quell his children. He chose Anakin specifically, the Chosen One. In his words, "only the Chosen One" can stop his children. The official site says that Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful Force user in galactic history... not that Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful Force user in history as long as he is on Mortis. When Obi-Wan says Anakin's midi-chlorian count is higher than Yoda's, he didn't say as long as he's on Mortis.
Mortis is irrelevant. Mortis is inconsequential. Mortis merely happened to be the setting of The Father's test. Set Mortis aside. Let Mortis trouble you no more.
Any advantage Anakin possesses must be inherent. His issue, thanks to PIS, is merely accessing this power. This is what he does with Dooku. And this is what happens when Dooku, one of the most powerful Force users of all time, is turned into (paraphrasing Stover), a colossal joke. He's dead the moment Anakin accesses his power and decides to kill him; "the rest is mere detail."
You reject this, as is your prerogative. And I'm not interested in trying to convince you.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this.. Is Mortis a typical nexus that we see ala the Jedi Temple.. or other DS nexus we've seen or is it the most powerful nexus we've ever seen or heard of?
The Temple, actually, is atypical: the most powerful nexus of Force energy according to the ROTS novel.
The magnitude of Mortis's energies is never, to my knowledge, elaborated upon. But if I were to reasonably guess, I'd say it is probably the most powerful nexus in the galaxy.
I agree it is the most powerful nexus in the galaxy.. Thus Anakin wouldn't have access to such an amp ANYWHERE else. I'm not arguing that Anakin can't wield and use an amp better than anyone in galactic history. I agree with that. But in order to wield and shape said nexus energies he HAS TO BE ON MORTIS. There is no way around this fact. Is it your claim that amp dooku was receiving from on a nexus when he fought Yoda.. he could just internally gain that same without without being there? Of course your not.. but that is exactly what you're doing here. What woudl the point be of a nexus if anybody could jsut receive an amp and not even have to be there. That is beyond silly buddy and you know it. Anakin most certainly got an amp on Mortis.. and amp like no other... He doesn't just randomly have access to said amp just because he's the choosen one. Just like nobody else can can a nexus amp and not even have to be there.
Further, when I ask for proof.. you citing his fight with dooku isn't proof. He didn't overpower dooku with the force.. He beat him in saber combat. Just like Yoda can kill sidious in saber combat but that doesn't mean he's more powerful than him in the force. Anakin killing dooku with ease in saber combat isn't proof at all.. that can just happen when you outduel somebody. I could kill somebody like Brock Lesnar in sword combat.. doesn't mean i'm stronger than him or could win a wrestling match.
Then when you add in the fact that stover ALSO mentions that dooku had depleted force reserves just fighting Anakin and Kenobi.. it gives the fight even more circumstances.. then when you factor in Anakin's powerufl strikes were taking a tool and dooku and his style couldn't meet it head on.. that is more circumstances.. then when you factor in Dooku underestimated Anakin.. that's even more. That shows it wasn't anakin gonig super saiyan mortis anakin.. that was anakin letting some emotions go.. and taking advantage of a weaker dooku who just fought two jedi masters how under estimated him.
Simple question... Could dooku get the same amp as when he was on a nexus fighting Yoda and not be there or on any nexus? It's seems your theory is.. one doesn't have to be on a nexus to gain an amp from a nexus. It's enough to say Anakin is the Choosen one and thus he can do it.. that doesn't cut.. an amp is an amp.. just like in my hulk example... gamma radiation is always his.. just like getting angry is always his.. doesn't mean he can get as powerful as when he's on a nexus of gamma radiation and anger just because he has those inside him all the time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's seems your theory is.. one doesn't have to be on a nexus to gain an amp from a nexus.
Your reading comprehension is really really appalling if that's what you understand his theory to be.
Your so busy pleasing yourself with pictures of Windu and Kenobi that your not even trying to understand a single thing anyone has told you on this thread.
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The Korun Master was quite powerful in TK.
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Not really. As we all know, Tartakovsky's CW and series of comics called "Clone Wars Adventures" has many exaggerations. For example:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090702151302/starwars/images/2/24/Yoda_crate.jpg
I know, I know.. the force. But even the force has some limits. The same example will be the fact, that jedi destroyed droids with bare hands (which contradicts a movie a bit).
In those comics even some "random" knights, like Rivi-Anu, are able to catch/hold a massive star ship.
Comparing to that, Windu's 3 kms throws are not that impressive. In fact, in "Shatterpoint" he's not sure about his TK skills. And in "Heavy Metal Jedi" he considered Tiin as more powerful with TK.
Yoda takes Anakin, Windu takes Sidious.
Really either Yoda or Windu could take Anakin at that point.
Anakin only beat Son and Daughter by calling on the energies of Mortis to unlock his full potential. Zonakin was great, but that wasn't his FULL potential, it was actually close, but he had no shatterpoint charism and lacked even the skill of Sidious or Windu - and his power in TK was not as great as even Yoda or Sidious at that point IMO. It may have been around Windu's, but he was mainly calling on his reservoir to augment his physical abilities in combat and in that regard Djem So slaughtered Makashi. Count Dooku was an old man.
