ROTS Mace and Yoda vs. Zone Anakin & Sidious

Originally posted by Zett
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Not really. As we all know, Tartakovsky's CW and series of comics called "Clone Wars Adventures" has many exaggerations. For example:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090702151302/starwars/images/2/24/Yoda_crate.jpg
I know, I know.. the force. But even the force has some limits. The same example will be the fact, that jedi destroyed droids with bare hands (which contradicts a movie a bit).

In those comics even some "random" knights, like Rivi-Anu, are able to catch/hold a massive star ship.
Comparing to that, Windu's 3 kms throws are not that impressive. In fact, in "Shatterpoint" he's not sure about his TK skills. And in "Heavy Metal Jedi" he considered Tiin as more powerful with TK.

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He wasn't really tapping into his own potential on Mortis, he was actually just using Mortis, which is his full potential.

Mortis gave him its energies because he was made by the will of the Force, and Mortis is the Force.

Originally posted by Dolos
It may have been around Windu's, but he was mainly calling on his reservoir to augment his physical abilities in combat and in that regard Djem So slaughtered Makashi. Count Dooku was an old man.

No. Just no-

If he's able to call upon more of his power in the Force, then there's no reason that power would not also augment his TK.

Djem So is not > Makashi. People need to stop spreading that bull crap.

That old man stomped many young elite Jedi/Sith like Kenobi/Ventress.

Originally posted by Zett
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Not really. As we all know, Tartakovsky's CW and series of comics called "Clone Wars Adventures" has many exaggerations. For example:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090702151302/starwars/images/2/24/Yoda_crate.jpg
I know, I know.. the force. But even the force has some limits. The same example will be the fact, that jedi destroyed droids with bare hands (which contradicts a movie a bit).

In those comics even some "random" knights, like Rivi-Anu, are able to catch/hold a massive star ship.
Comparing to that, Windu's 3 kms throws are not that impressive. In fact, in "Shatterpoint" he's not sure about his TK skills. And in "Heavy Metal Jedi" he considered Tiin as more powerful with TK.

Windu never Tiin was better then him with TK. Tiin just threw a droid farther.

I never got why people thought Windus soloing of droid armies was top tier. Plo Koon soloed a whole army in seconds so did Fisto who soloed a army, so did Kenobi/Anakin. Yoda lifted up a mountain. Seems to me like soloing a army of droids is something that any top tier Council member can do in the miniseries/powerful force user.

As for this fight, its a 50/50 split could go ether way.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No. Just no-

If he's able to call upon more of his power in the Force, then there's no reason that power would not also augment his TK.

Djem So is not > Makashi. People need to stop spreading that bull crap.

That old man stomped many young elite Jedi/Sith like Kenobi/Ventress.

Not unless he wanted to, what you're saying is that Zonakin is Anakin's full potential, all that reservoir (stated in the Novelization as a "bottomless pit"😉 at once, which makes him able to stomp anything in the mythos. Is that what you believe he was accessing at the time?

Anyway, Djem So has distinct advantages over Makashi in particular (and disadvantages to Soresu whereas Makashi has advantages over Soresu). Vader switched to that style after Episode II because of Dooku.

Dooku was very balanced and good at using another duelist's power against them. Anakin's physical power was not natural.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
As for this fight, its a 50/50 split could go ether way.

I'd say depending on whether or not Zonakin really had the power he did on Mortis when fighting Dooku. Mortis was a mystical place, it imbued Anakin with the ability to tap into extra energies simply because he was the Chosen One. I don't think Anakin possessed as much control over his "reservoir" as Yoda who'd trained for 800 years to access his own limits. Not even close.

Anakin wasn't nearly as skilled as Sidious, Windu, or Yoda or even Obi-Wan in the disciplines of lightsaber dueling, he certainly didn't have the innate talent over Force techniques as his son in combat, or the ability to find his opponent's weak-spot and instantly win a fight like Windu did. He wasn't all that talented, he beat the Ones simply because he was uber powerful, and they couldn't resist his power, basically.

Some things are difficult to put on film and animation?
Rather than having Obi-Wan deflect fire from an entire army, the producers scaled the ships flying outside the invisible hand to the Jedi. In both cases, he actually has the same speed in both feats.

She momentarily used all of her energy to delay it until she had no energy to continue. Oh, and that was only a Venator instead of an Imperial I or II.
That isn't much different than Galen Marek guiding a Star destroyer ( novelization and he barely managed it ). Better on Marek's part due to a much bigger ship and he still had some energy remaining. He appears to have kept this up for a longer duration as well.

Luke can move Star Destroyers and manipulate black holes. Cannot be moved even by a black hole. And those are found in the novels. There's even a character who can force wave an entire city in the novels.

Who?

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Plo Koon soloed a whole army in seconds so did Fisto who soloed a army, so did Kenobi/Anakin. Yoda lifted up a mountain.

What the ****?

Darth Sidious can speed blitz entire cities.

Sidious has lightning that can extend into space.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who?

What the ****?

Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Luke can move Star Destroyers

When?

and manipulate black holes.

That wasn't a real infinitely dense point in space time. It was a synthesized singularity that lasted for only a brief moment that had enough energy to manipulate gravity to the point of preventing star ships from escaping its grasp (theoretically even against their hyperdrive engines). Maybe a little more impressive than Galen Marek's ability to bring down a star destroyer, rivaled by Nihilus' feat of ripping his Star Destroyer from the Mass Shadow Generator.

Cannot be moved even by a black hole.

That was a statement, not a feat, and should not be taken literally.

And those are found in the novels. There's even a character who can force wave an entire city in the novels.

He does.

And Bane can solo entire raindrops.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious has lightning that can extend into space.

The best Force lightning feat was the Starkiller Clone disintegrating (this can be dismissed because it wasn't in an in-story context) a Storm Trooper in the Force Unleashed II Game scenes, his Force Repulse disintegrated (this can be dismissed because it wasn't performed in-story) opponents as well like Plaguies and Vitiate - who both had better TK than Sidious or even Yoda. As for raw combat abilities go, the Starkiller clone displayed destructive abilities rivaling NJO/FOTJ Luke and exceeding anyone else.

And everything after Episode VI might become non-canon. Which is even better for Starkiller.

It was a joke. I know he doesn't.

Tulak Hord can move fast enough to go backwards in time though.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader

That isn't an army, lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was a joke. I know he doesn't.

Tulak Hord can move fast enough to go backwards in time though.

That isn't an army, lol.

he defeated an entire army of droids.

He only destroyed two of them though. Also that still isn't an army. If theres more than a hundred droids on that page, I'll eat my sword.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Darth Sidious can speed blitz entire cities.

Sidious has the second best Force speed, surpassed by NJO/FOTJ Luke.

Plo Koon's feat was sub-par to Windu's in the Clone Wars animated series.

I'm going to regret asking this, but Sidious blitzed a city of Bothans?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm going to regret asking this, but Sidious blitzed a city of Bothans?

It was more of an Army of Bothan Mercenaries spread across a sector of a city.