So when I respond to a multi-faceted post such as Nai's or anyone else who dissects arguments via repeated use of the quote function, I generally bring up two windows. One with which to read the response (and the things it quotes) and the other with which to respond.
And after drafting a lengthy rebuttal, I X out of the wrong goddamn window.
Sorry, this is gonna be brief.
Originally posted by Nai
What, pray tell, do you think the Count could do against that kind of power? Dodge that room-sized beams? Absorb / deflect that kind of energy?
Yep. Just like how Plagueis, who atomizes Maladians, probably won't replicate that with Kun. What works against Massassi and Maladians isn't guaranteed or even likely imho to work against a Sith Lord the caliber of Dooku.
Not to mention that those feats occurred within the Massassi temple and the text notes that "tremendous energies" are focused within the ruin.
Originally posted by Nai
And what could he offer himself in terms of offensive abilities? Force Lightning and telekinesis? Against Kun, who pretty much walked through a Sith Magic attack of Aleema Keto without even caring about it?
I don't consider Keto the equal or peer of Dooku.
Originally posted by Nai
Who tanked the most powerful lightside technique available and just got put on his ass by it for some seconds?
Where has the sever Force thing ever been successfully used in combat?
Originally posted by Nai
I really don't see how Dooku would walk out of a force fight with Kun.
Well, I didn't say he would. I said he'd make it a tough fight; an assessment which I stand beside.
Originally posted by Nai
While I agree with you on the swordsman part, as far as expertise is concerned, I can't say if that would be enough for Dooku to stand a chance against Kun. Apparently, Kun was the best swordsman the Jedi had produced in centuries, if his master has something to say about the issue, with others calling his skill with the weapon "unparalleled".Yet, as if that wasn't enough, the guy constructs his own lightsaber design. And that, as I've said before, could very well catch Dooku completely off-guard. We're dealing with a short-hilted saber stuff here (unique), that Exar Kun wields one-handed (unique), with ambidextrous skill. As if that wasn't enough, he could adjust the length and intensity of his blades, enabling him to use them like a light-lances or make them pass through other lightsabers. So if the efficiency of precognition in combat declines, the more options your opponent has of utilizing his weapon, Kun is pretty much anathema to battle precog.
Agreed; a strict duel probably won't be a cakewalk for Dooku.
Originally posted by Nai
I can remember that a certain group of people did give free lessons on why "feat wars" does suck as basis for rational arguments. Apparently, somebody wasn't listening.
Apparently somebody else wasn't reading: I said Starkiller "decimates" Kun in feats but that I'd give the fight to the former after a "tough" fight with the latter. Clearly I'm not basing my decision on feats alone.
Originally posted by Nai
No. That indicates that he doesn't breath any longer. He isn't the most powerful Sith Lord any longer, because he no longer lives. Unless you want to suggest that somebody cleared his record of evil, too, given how he "was" responsible for the deaths of millions but "is", following your interpretation, no longer. 😉
No.
The encyclopedia and Fact File entries are both written past-tense. The fact file suggests Kun still possesses the title of strongest Sith whereas the more recently-released source says the title is one he used to possess but no longer does. Probably in light of the more recent (in and out of universe) sources that confer that title to Sidious.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Aw, I do the same thing. 😍
Then it should comfort you to know that a genius such as myself can still make mistakes.
Every once in a while. biscuit
Originally posted by Nephthys
Though usually firefox remembers what I've written when I make a whoopsi.
Not mine, apparently.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nai's quote puts him above Tulak Hord.Tulak Hord is "teh uber" by flawless canonicity. I place him near Yoda and Sidious. So to be above him...
I don't have the time to finish the last few pages of this as I'm leaving work, but WUT IS THIS?
Srsly, if Tulak Hord can justwalkintoMordorsolo a thousand Jedi, how is Sidious or Yoda anywhere approaching that level? If anything that's been posted by Nai (and yikes, I forgot a lot) and yourself on the issue of Kun and Hord is accurate, how can you even consider them at or below Yoda and Sidious?
Hell, Yoda and Sidious haven't shown a variety of Force powers exclusive to older eras, such as Force sever, wall of Light, Epic Gigadrain, Force Stun whole groups, etc. Where is this conclusion coming from?
Also, I'll read more when I get online tonight.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I don't have the time to finish the last few pages of this as I'm leaving work, but WUT IS THIS?Srsly, if Tulak Hord can
justwalkintoMordorsolo a thousand Jedi, how is Sidious or Yoda anywhere approaching that level? If anything that's been posted by Nai (and yikes, I forgot a lot) and yourself on the issue of Kun and Hord is accurate, how can you even consider them at or below Yoda and Sidious?Hell, Yoda and Sidious haven't shown a variety of Force powers exclusive to older eras, such as Force sever, wall of Light, Epic Gigadrain, Force Stun whole groups, etc. Where is this conclusion coming from?
Also, I'll read more when I get online tonight.
Hord has some amazing feats and accolades, but so do Sidious and Yoda. Hord has one of the best TK feats in pulling a capital ship to the ground but Sidious has arguably (by me, I think Vitiates is better) the most powerful Force Lightning in the mythos. Hord killed a thousand Jedi, but Sidious blitzed 3 powerful Jedi Masters. Furthermore Yoda and Sidious' showings have happened 'on-screen' as it were, so their actual abilities are known. And extremely good. Hord has a shitton of incredible hype to his name, but nothing too concrete. Could he defeat Yoda in a lightsaber duel? I'd say its close, but I might be more inclined to go with a known quantity like Yoda over someone who just sounds incredible.
Sure, Yoda and Sidious haven't shown some of the more esoteric Force Powers.... but that doesn't put them below those who do. They just focus on different abilities.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh really, please show me a scene where this is hinted at or explained in the movies. Because no, the Jedi are not depicted as amazing combatants in the movies. I fact, if Sidious had not supplied the clone army, the Seps would have annihilated the Jedi and the Republic, starting on Geonosis where the Jedi are shown to be fvcked in a direct confrontation with the droids.The Jedi in TOR are beating the Sith.
Gonna interject here. TCWs was the battle of the largest military build ups in galactic history up to that point. We're talking quadrillions of droids, millions of warships and likely billions or trillions of clones. No Jedi or Sith Order could match up to that in a raw stand up fight.
Pretty much what Yoda said. The Order was at its highest just 10,000 Jedi. And it was Quintillions of droids too. The Clone Wars is only matched up by the Yuuzhan Vong war maybe in scale. Things like the Exar Kun war only affected Ossus and Onderon, and the Mando wars mostly stayed in the outer rim. And the great galactic war was like Clone Wars lite pretty much, the 2nd one was mostly like the Galactic civil war with both sides secretly hitting each other rather than full-blown combat.
