Exar Kun vs Dooku

Started by Petrus27 pages

No. Sith are a thousand times more powerful than a droid.

1'000,000 Sith vs. 10,000 Jedi? Srsly?

I can see maybe a million sith seeing as how their empire has run for 1,300 years just for this specific purpose, but the Jedi couldn't have those numbers.

There is no way 10,000 Jedi would've survived against 1'000,000 Sith. I mean, come on.

Yeah, that would be actually retarded.

Yes it would.

During ToR, there were at least [roughly] the same number of Jedi and Sith. I can be convinced there were a bit less Jedi, but not 990,000 less.

I'm not saying the Jedi could survive, I'm saying the TOR authors are retarded for introducing these numbers. If things become too unrealistic IN A VIDEO GAME, you know you've failed.

Well, do consider that Vitiate's Empire had been going for ages barely touched by the Republic or challenged by anyone. It makes sense that their numbers are so high. Meanwhile, the Republic was being decimated by Revan and Malak and wars prior to that one.

Yeah, it is retarded to say that in 300 years the Jedi repopulated up to 1'000,000 individuals, but it is also retarded to say the Jedi wouldn't have been annihilated early if there were only 10,000 of them and 1'000,000+ Sith.

So you're right, the authors are indeed retarded.

Originally posted by SJones91109
There can't be a million jedi or anywhere close to it, seeing as how "barely 100 jedi remained after the Jedi Civil War". Even 300 years, to find force users and train then adequately each generation, I'd be surprised if there were more than 10,000. Again, chalk it up to the stupid TOR writers.

Ever heard of exponential growth?

Especially if ares is right with the 10,000 number from Legacy, which is only a hundred years after the OT.

Originally posted by Petrus
No. Sith are a thousand times more powerful than a droid.

No.

Originally posted by Petrus
1'000,000 Sith vs. 10,000 Jedi? Srsly?

Except that's not what it is.

It's one million Sith with billions of Imperials vs 10000 Jedi with Billions of Republic troops.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ever heard of exponential growth?

Especially if ares is right with the 10,000 number from Legacy, which is only a hundred years after the OT.

Yeah, but to grow from even less than 10,000 [after the Mandalorian Wars] up to 1'000,000+ isn't logical, even with exponential growth factoring in.

I do think there are at least 1'000,000 Jedi in ToR, because it would be the only explanation that shows why they weren't destroyed by the Sith in months, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense. It just makes even less sense that there were only 10,000.

Originally posted by ares834
No.

Yes.

Except that's not what it is.

It's one million Sith with billions of Imperials vs 10000 Jedi with Billions of Republic troops.

Still retarded. 990,000 more Sith than Jedi plus billions of Imperials would make the war stupidly short and easy for them. 'Cause you know, having 990,000 Sith does kinda make a huge difference.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]"Millions strive to become Sith...."

"With millions vying for only 12 seats...."

"Millions of the galaxy's most powerful Sith were considered..."

It isn't ****ing retarded, its smart. There only being 10,000 Jedi is stupidly low for an organisation of galactic proportions. Millions should be the minimum.

I think it is smart in the sense of that's what the scale should have been all along. But its stupid because of the already lowballed numbers we have for other eras.


Not just clones fought for the Republic. Regular troops or armies of individual planets existed.

I am well aware of this. But Clones were the primary police force on Coruscant, which has a pop of 1 trillion. You couldn't police Earth with 3 million let alone ****ing Coruscant.
Similarly the US army alone is 1.5 million. You are telling me one region on a vastly technologically inferior planet can field half the army of a galactic scale organization. Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Petrus
Yes.

Show me an average Sith soling an army of one thousand troops. I'll wait.

Originally posted by Petrus
Still retarded. 990,000 more Sith plus billions of Imperials would make the war stupidly short and easy for them.

Except one million is an insignificant number when compared to billions and I wouldn't be surprised if the number was actually a trillion troops instead. This is a galactic war after all. Either way I certainly don't see one million average force users shifting the conflict in one direction or another.

Originally posted by ares834
Show me an [b]average Sith soling an army of one thousand troops. I'll wait. [/B]

Okay, I was obviously exaggerating when I said "a thousand times" more powerful. But you get the point. An average Jedi is undoubtedly more than most droids [at least CIS droids] could handle. I say in terms of power, an average Jedi roughly = 10 battle droids more or less.


Except one million is an insignificant number when compared to billions and, I wouldn't be surprised, if the number was actually a trillion troops instead. This is a galactic war after all.

Except these aren't 990,000 troopers. These are 990,000 Sith. It's definitely not insignificant.

Originally posted by Petrus
Okay, I was obviously exaggerating when I said "a thousand times" more powerful. But you get the point. An average Jedi is undoubtedly more than most droids [at least CIS droids] could handle. I say in terms of power, an average Jedi roughly = 10 battle droids more or less.

Perhaps.

Originally posted by Petrus
Except these aren't 990,000 troopers. These are 990,000 Sith. It's definitely not insignificant.

It really should be.

No, it shouldn't.

It's a little stupid to say 990,000 are a non-factor. If you were talking droids or troops compared to billions or trillions, then fine. 990,000 is insignificant. But not Sith.

Say, 1 Sith = 10 average troopers, both Rep and Imp.

That's 9,900,000.

Thats very generous. Overall I'd take a Jedi over a hundred ordinary soldiers.

Originally posted by ares834
Except one million is an insignificant number when compared to billions and I wouldn't be surprised if the number was actually a trillion troops instead. This is a galactic war after all. Either way I certainly don't see one million average force users shifting the conflict in one direction or another.

Wtf? Did you not see anything from the Clone Wars where even a palty 10,000 are shown to have enormous effects on the war? Sure Petrus' 1000 figre wasn't accurate, but even if they aren't worth battalions in one battle their survival rate is much higher and they kill a lot more than soldiers and they will kill hundreds over the course of a war. Plus they can achieve a lot of incredibly significant objectives that ordinary troops just cannot like take out commanders single handedly, capture buildings by themselves, shut down shields etc etc. Jedi are far more valuable than ordinary troops and they would me absolutely no match for the Sith if the numbers were as you say.

Compared to ten billion troops that's merely 1%... If the number is a trillion then it's 0.001%. That is rather insignificant.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wtf? Did you not see anything from the Clone Wars where even a palty 10,000 are shown to have enormous effects on the war? Sure Petrus' 1000 figre wasn't accurate, but even if they aren't worth battalions in one battle their survival rate is much higher and they kill a lot more than soldiers and they will kill hundreds over the course of a war. Plus they can achieve a lot of incredibly significant objectives that ordinary troops just cannot like take out commanders single handedly, capture buildings by themselves, shut down shields etc etc. Jedi are far more valuable than ordinary troops and they would me absolutely no match for the Sith if the numbers were as you say.

The problem with all of this is we only ever really see the "hero" Jedi. Your average Jedi is getting massacred by droids or getting beat down by Jango Fett.